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HomeMy WebLinkAboutConservation Comm 02/06/1973Pebruary 6, 1973 The Mansfield Conservation Commission met on Tuesday, February 6, 1073 at 8:3o P,Dt, to rt, u;;=h(1 hearing and application of Joseph Gonsalves at '131 North Main Street in the Town Office Building. Present: Chairman Jones, Comm. Debbie Button, Comm. Charles Meszoely, Comm. Paul Boyden, Comm. Pete Mason, Comm. Walter Nelson Chairman Jones questioned if everybody had had enough time to really review the situation so that they could send a recommendation to the Department of Natural Resources or if they would rather Waite and take a :vote on it at. another date. Commissioner Mason stated that he would just as soon take the vote on this now. Comm. Boyden stated that before taking a vote he would like to open this matter up for further discussion because the excavation of the pond is a conservation matter. Comm. Boyden stated that he felt that they could allow him to excavate the area but he would like to know what the states standards for insurance on the water supply were, as he felt the future water supply for the Town of Mansfiled would be coming from that area. Comm. Boyden stated that he is in favor of the site but he was just wondering about the water supply. Chairman Jones questioned who would be able to give them the figures on.the water supoly. Comm. Button stated that it would probably mean engineering the whole area. It was noted that the area was already approved for the septic systems. Gomm. Mason noted that Mr, vonsalves plans !:o build 60 units now and the other 60 will be constructed sometime in the future, and that upon questioning how far the sewer was from the river it was noted that It would be about 300 feet from either the Canoe River or Mill Pond. Comm. Boyden questioned what the outlay was on this and that he would still like to check further on the site. Comm. Button questioned what that would have to do with the hearing. Chairman Jones noted that the only thing they were to be concerned with was what was in Chapter 131. Comm. Mason stated that you can't consider the insurance value of it. That is not specific to the Match Acta Is there any involve- ment to the Hatch Act. Chairman Jones noted that Mr. Gonsalves is asking their permission to excavate the pond, and that he would be restoring the dam at the outlet. Comm. Meszoely stated that he would like to see a certified high water report to see what the excavation of this dam would be on the water supply and water shed in that area. Chairman Jones stated that the State would be doing that with their plans. Comm. Meszoely stated that Mr. Gonsalves is entitled to the river, but when you start fooling around with lakes that it is a conservation matter and that he was not satisfied with this explanation on it. Comm. Meszoely stated that he was completely unhappy with the site. d Chairman Jones stated that they were lossing the meaning of the Hatch Act. This plan is not a horsing project. There is -going to be con- tamination of the soil. There co,cern is that he is either in violation 2 Minutes February 6, 1973 t h did not care that he or he is not. Comm. Meszoely stated tha e would like to voicehis opinion on this commission and that he felt they were ignored. Motion: To..put this.item:.to.vote at this meeting: (Chairman Jones - comm. Mason stated that they should only be concerned Frith their responsibility of the Hatch Act. The contamination is concern,of the Board of Health, the Environment is the problem for the Planning Board. I dont believe we should get into that, field. Comm. Boyden stated thathe would hate to hav to sit in a room with this much information and have to make a decision on the Hthing. He e felt that felt that Comm. Meszoely has raised a very good point. it was up to them and that he was not opposed to the campsite but he was concerned about the environmental,status. Comm. Mason stated that that was up to the Planning Board. Chairman Jones questioned if it would lower the value of real estate and Comm. Boyden stated that that was not their problem. Comm. Mason stated that is just what he is trying to say thatit is not their pro- blem. Comm. Button noted that Mr. Gonsalves had submitted the informa- tign needed for the Hatch Act. Chairman Jones again stated that the Board was loosing the meaning of the Hatch Act. B tio ned if it was necessary for a vote'to be taken Comm. oyden ques at this meeting. Chairman Jones informedthe Board that they had 21 days to make their decision. ° Comm. Boyden' stated that he felt the Comm. Meszoely had brougnt nn a very good point and that if they could gef that information within 1 week then they could make their decision. Comm. Nelson stated that the information was not necessary because Mr. Gonsalves either complied .to the Batch Act or he didn't. Comm. Mason stated that the responsibility of the Conservation Comm- ision was to determine if he is in violation of the Hatch Act or not. Comm. Meszoely stated that he was not certain if he was in violation or not. Comm. Boyden stated that if he was not in violation why would he have to come to them to begin with. Chairman Jones stated that it was not up to the Board to decide if they think it will have a bad affect on the environment of that particular area. Comm. Meszoely stated that it was a big project with several acres of land being fill out, but it was also a major pond. Chairman Jones questioned who would pay for the engineering. Comm. Mason stated that lie felt it was the Planning Board responsibility. I Chairman Jones stated that Mr. uonsa7.ves has to comply to the Hatch Act as far as what he is going to do. He has complied to height from the water to the bottom of the bridge. He has given the locationlocated of the bridge. The state has approved the septic system. It so as not to contaminate the pond. We don't know what impac4- the 3 or 4 septic tanks will have up above the, -river. I made the motion 3 Minutes February o, 1973 t to put this to a vote tonight. Comm. Button'seconed the motion.' Comm. Mason questioned if they were saying they should approve this because it complies to the Hatch Act. Comm. Button stated that they are just saying they are going to vote on it tonight. Comm. Messoely stated that hs was concerned about what is going to happen to the water supply. If you pack 150 people around a lake that is going, to do Something to it, 'There is going to be seepage there. They are going to Lfoy things, they are going to urinate on the ground. Phis is all going to go down to the lake Motion: Totake on vote on this matter at this meeting :(Chairman Jones -Button, Mason, Nelson in favor-"Meszoely, Boyden opposed) VOTED Motion: To accept the plan as presented by Mr. Joseph Gonsalves on .the application dated January 22, 1973. (Jones -Button, mason, Nelson in favor - Meszoely, Boyden opposed VOTED ' eae-eor-beet •o•.•e {yT� �+ P CO -'' LLO ' SI \ w Di . p _ mw Ea w I O,,L`^moi o� --h �1 � � 666111 0 �c ao lW�l �o � 0 0, W S ry y� N y LL .Q DO cG O; i ILL i 1 F I I C February b, 1973 Present: Chairman Bob Jones, Debbie Button, Paul Boyden Charles Meszoely Meeting called to order at 7:30 PM. we received a petition from residents on East Street regarding a portion of swamp beign drained and dredged and a culvert installed. Motion by Paul Boyden seconded by Charles Meszoloy to have Town Counsel Jim Grady explain to us the Hatch Act, all in favor. Letter will be sent to Planing Board, Recreation Commission and Town Manager asking where our plan is for Maple Park. Respectively submitted Deborah A. Button Clerk o�E�K