HomeMy WebLinkAboutConservation Comm 06/01/1976Mansfield Conservation Commission
June 1, 1976
Present: Stuart Sweet, Doris Webb, Charles Meszoely, Paul Boyden, Robert
Jones, Fred Rys
_Meeting opened at 7:30 p.m.
Charles Meszoely moved to accept the minutes of the previous meeting be ac-
cepted. Seconded by Fred Rys, voted all in favor.
Myles Franey met with the Commission regarding a perc test that might be
subject to wetlands proceedings, it is 900' from water at 1000 West Street,
Lot #9. The Commission will look at this lot to make a determination on
this on Saturday morning.
Paul Boyden referred to the Wetlands hearing held on May 11 (Frank Allen)
and said that he had invited more of the neighbors here this evening po get
further input on this.
Donald Mercier, 750 Ware Street, said that he had sent a letter to the Com-
mission on April 23 signed by various land abutters, and asked why they y
were not notified.
Paul Boyden noted that the notice had been in the paper as required by the
law, and that he thought the people concerned would be at the hearing.
-Mr. Mercier said that Mr. Allen showed him what he planned to do on the pro-
perty, that he plans to move the stream across the street from his house,
and make three ponds. Mr. Mercier stated that he objected to this. Mr.
Mercier questioned the lots, whether they would be buildable.
Mr. Boyden noted that the only jurisdiction the Conservation Commission had
was over the wetlands.
Mr. Mercier stated that he was against the changing of the course of the
stream. He said that he has never had any water problems down there until
Allen Willis built houses across the street. During the summer, the brook
used to be dry, but not anymore.
'Doris Webb asked if Mr. Mercier had a sump pump in his basement.
Mr. Mercier answered that he did.
'Mr. Meszoely asked when he started having problems.
Mr. Mercier stated that since Allen Willis built the other houses down the
street.
t t s oke against the project. She said that
Barbara Jones of 776 Ware S ree , p
this would increase the water problems on her property. She said that she
.has lived there 36 years and has never problems until now. She said that
the water from Willis' and Home Developers comes in onto the backland.
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Charles Meszoely asked Mrs. Jones when her flooding started. She said
about 2 years ago.
Paul Boyden asked if the water has ever come up over the road. Mrs. Jones
said that it did once during a snow storm.
Mr. Mercier commented that contractors buy swamp land knowing that they can
fill it and build on it. He said that other landowners should not have to
suffer because of that. He said that the state should come down and investi-
gate how the perc tests are being done and on the wetlands. - what the out-
come should be.
Doris Webb advised Mr. Mercier that he should go to the Board of Health re-
garding perc tests.
Mrs. Jones questioned if Mr. Allen would be able to put in drainagepipes
underground without anyone knowing it.
Robert Jones (no relation) of the Commission noted that the hearing was
held just on the particular plan submitted by Mr. Allen, and that was all
that he intended to do now. The Commission has to make a notice of conai-
tions on that hearing this evening. There will be a copy of that filed
.with the town clerk, and a copy of the plan. If there are any questions,
if the neighbors wanted to appeal this, any 10 people can get together and
appeal this to the state.
Frank Allen, 795 Ware Street, said that he walked the land with some of the
...'.neighbors. Mr. Allen said that Mrs. Jones was going to show him the back -
land where the water was that was never there before. There happened to be
about 20 inches of soupy peat which would take, as far as Mr. Allen was con-
cerned, about 200 years to be established.
Mrs. Jones said that she never said that there wasn't a swamp, but that you
could walk through it during the dry season of the year.
Mr. Allen said that his engineer told him that no more water would be leaving
his property in the future after doing this work than what is leaving now,
only at a faster rate.
Mrs. Jones said that she wanted that in black and white.
Robert Nemet, 752 Ware Street, asked what wetlands were for. Mr. Boyden
said to act as a sponge, a retention area. Mr. Nemet asked what would happen
if all these were filled in. Mr. Boyden advised him that the Commission's
function was to protect these.
Mr. Boyden said that in this particular instance a retention area was being
created in this area along with the swamp that was there.
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Jack Cook, 761 Ware Street, noted that there was only one pond on the plan,
not 3. He said that he would be removing the debris that has accumulated
over the last 50-100 years. He said that he did not see how it would affect _
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anyone else's land, except to help it. He said that his own home would
be there, and he would not build his home there if it were going to be
wet.
Mr. Mercier discussed water table charts, and asked if the project would
affect Mr. Moody.
Margot Jellinek, 1551 West Street, discussed the Canoe River. She asked
how much surface water from the street and how much oil from the cars and
salt will go into the Canoe River from subdivisions.
Robert Jones answered that only if the Commission holds wetlands hearings
on a subdivison can it be determined how much runoff will be generated.
At 8:15 p.m. there was a Wetlands Protection Hearing on the application of
Richard Staples and Dale Tessier. Separate transcript on file.
/ .Karl Clemmey met with the Commission regarding his property at 390 West
M1 Street. There will be a hearing on this June 22.
Old Business: The Commission discussed Fulton Pond - the Lions' Club
is doing work there. Mr. Boyden discussed the possibility of the town
putting up a war memorial near Fulton Pond. After discussion, Fred Rys
moved that the Commission study the possibility of having a war memorial
there. Seconded by Stuart Sweet, and it was voted.
Regarding the hearing held on Louis Andrews, willow Street, Paul Boyden
.moved that the Commission approve the project as submitted with'the plan
`attached, and that this be inspected by the Building Inspector. Seconded
by Charles Meszoely, and voted all in favor.
After further discussion of the Ware Street project of Frank Allen, Charles
Meszoely moved to approve the project with the following conditions as dis-
cussed by the Commission:
1. Make the stream or brook that is being relocated "meander"
rather than go in a straight linet.
2. The area to be created as the retention area must be at
least as large as the area to be filled - approximately
50,000 s.f.
3. The swamp area presently depicted (on "Topographical Plan
of land in Mansfield, Mass., Scale 1" = 60', dated April 5,
1976, by RIM Engineering Co., Inc.") adjacent to the proposed
pond should remain intact, and is in no way to be disturbed
under this order.
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4. The proposed brook shall be moved to the easterly side
of Lot 779 within the lot, and shall be on the westerly
side of the right-of-way.
5. The Plan entitled "Topographical Plan of Land in Mansfield,
Mass., Scale 1" = 60', April 5, 1976, RIM Engineering.Co.,
Inc. shall be recorded.
6. The existing 12" pipe at elevation 114.41 at Ware Street
shall remain a 12" pipe.
Doris Webb seconded the motion, and it was voted all in favor.
The Commission discussed the order to be issued for Staples and Tessier's
project on School Street. Charles Meszoely moved that the followinj con-
ditions, as discussed by the Commission, be approved:
1. That a ditch shall be created along the westerly side of
the proposed driveway, with the invert at 137.8 ,.
2. That a retention area be created at least in size of the
area proposed to be filled, as shown on the plan entitled.
"Topographical Plan of Land in Mansfield, Mass., Scale
1" = 40' dated March 6, 1976, revised 3/10/76, 3/15/76,
and 4/17/76, RIM Engineering"
3. That the plan referred in the above condition be recorded.
Fred Rys seconded the motion, and it was voted all in favor.
Charles Meszoely moved to adjourn at 11:14 p.m. Seconded, and voted.
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