HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning 04/27/1970AGENDA 4/2$/70
1. Call to order
2. Clerk's Report
A. Minutes of April 61 1970
B. Correspondence
3. Circulation and �pproval of Warrant
4. Visitors) Agenda
A. 9:30 PM-- State Representative Ajeixo to view Cooper Gravel Pit
S. 01d Business
A. Plans to be signed
a. Cooper Gravel Pit
b. Metters Plan
B. Water and Sewer Committee Report
6. New Business
A. Plans submitted for first examination
a. 13.03$ acres belonging to Copeland Realty Trust
b. Leon Orant Crpedom'Street 44,752 S. F.
B. Around the table
7 Adjournment
PLANNING BOARD MINUTES April 27, 1970
The Mansfield Planning Board met at the Mansfield Town Hall on Monday,
April 27, 1970.
Present: Chairman Mendes, Clerk Latham and Planners Nelson, MacFarlane,
and Wojtkewitcz.
Meeting called to order at 7:40 PM.
Motion by Planner Latham seconded by Planner MacFarlane to go into
Executive Session for the purpose that discussion will probably have
some affect on the financial status of the Town of Mansfield, all in favor.
Motion by Planner Latham seconded by Planner MacFarlane to close the
Executive Session, all in favor.
Minutes were read from the meeting of April 6, 1970. Motion by Planner
MacFarlane, seconded by Planner Latham to accept the minutes all in favor.
Invitation was received from the Mansfield Civic Association to attend a
buffet meeting on April 26, 1970 to hear a speakir on the drug problem.
Notice was received from the Board of Appeals regarding a hearing on
the application of Paul E. Cooper for a permit to remove gravel; hearing
May 4, 1970 at 8:1$ PM.
Memo was received from the Town Manager regarding a meeting with Whitman
& Howard on April 28, 1970 to discuss the water supply.
Motion by Planner Nelson seconded by Planner Wojtkewitcz to sign the Warrant
for $99.7$, all in favor.
Planner Latham reported to the Board on a Ad Hoc Sewer Meeting with
Representatives from Norton, Foxboro, and Mansfield. B»t Nash was elected
Chairman and Planner Latham Vice -Chairman. They will meet two times a
6th. At their next meeting they will hear a speaker from the State on
,Pollution.
Motion by Planner Latham seconded by PTAnner MacFarlane to sign a -plan for
J. William Metters for tw9;;; lots on West Street;' Lot 1-103,000 sq. ft.
Lot 2-34,2$0 sq. ft, all in favor.
Mrs. Margot Jellinick and Representative Alexion met with the Board to view
the Cooper Gravel Bank.
Motion by Planner Nelson seconded by Planner MacFarlane to sign a plan for
a gravel bank for Paul Cooper on West Street. Planner Wojtkewitcz abstained
and will not sign until such time as zoning by law is updated.
Planner Wojtkewitcz reported to the Board on a letter from the Bristol
County Commissioners regarding Canoe River Flooding.
Planner Nelson told the Boar k�e felt plans should be received from Cabot,
Cabot and Forbes and 10 f to show us what they have planned,
and what is being done.
Motion by Planner Latham seconded by Planner Nelson to,.iadjourn, all in favor.
Meeting adjourned at 10:30 PM.
April 27, 1990
MEETING TO DISCUSS REST AREA ON R2UTE-195
Present: Department of Public Works Robert Richardson and Robert Tierney
Department of Community Affairs, Warren Dillon
CPlanning Board Members Chairman Mendes, Clerk Latham and Planners
Nelson, MacFarlane, and Wojtkiewitcz.
Town Manager Rolfe Camp
Selectmen Zecher and Conroy
Finance Coimnittee Chairman Lindner and Richard Carey
Board of Assessors Robert Eames
Building Inspector Joe Chalifoux
Representative for Senator Quinlin David Alperin
MDPW Taunton Mike Mahoney
Recreation Committee Louis Cinelli
Town Manager Rolfe Camp introduced to those present Robert W. Richardson
from the Department of Public Works who is heading up the project.
Mr. Richardson: I am the Roadside Development Engineer working directly
under Robert Tierney. What we want to do is have elected officials
representing the State and Town of Mansfield aware of what the public
hearing is all about and to enlist your support at the public hearing.
will explain in detail what we are proposing. Step number one is to
have a rest area big enough to handle trafficetwenty years hence and
probably have information center for motorist. The information center will
not be part of the public hearing next month. The proposal is to provide
a>section of the highway which will eventually house information area.
The location is just north of North Attleboro line in the gravel section
of Mansfield. This site was selected for a number of reasons. It is
undeveloped as far as buildings and the space between the interchanges.
We have been looking for a site on the Boston Road and .it is between
Route 495 and 295 and it meets the spacing changes for deceleration
and acceleration lanes. It seems to fit our proposal as far as distance
and ;general overall location for the interstate highways. At this public
hearing we will have a large scale plan on display on how much property
is going to be taken and the land dimension area. Information on the
information site will be indefinite.
George Wojtkiewitcz-Planning Board: I have a question ori the location of
the rest area. You want to have it between Routes295and 495. It is
rather interesting to me that you say an interstate traveller is going to
want, to rest before he goes on to Route 495, if he does have to go there.
Suppose a person travelling through Providence goes into Boston. The
proposed rest area is nearer to Rhode Island. On the other hand suppose a
person gs going from the South of Route 495. Is he going to want to stop after
going through Providence and before going to Route 495? I wonder is thas'the
best spot? Wouldn't Milford of, Bellingham be better? Will you have the
same rest area on the other side?
Robert Tierney: Long range planning is to have this type of rest area
with samitary facilities in other locations. We will eventually have an
information building where travellers can go to find out where to stay and
places to go. So we hope to have seven to nine of these areas around the
State. We feel this location is critical because eventually a lot of people
will by-pass Providence.
Present
April 27 1970
MEETING TO DISCUSS REST AREA ON ROUTE -195
Department of Public Works Robert Richardson and Robert
Department of Community Affairs, Warren Dillon
Planning Board Members Chairman Mendes, Clerk Latham and
Nelson, MacFarlane, and Wojtkiewitcz.
Town Manager Rolfe Camp
Selectmen Zecher and Conroy
Finance Committee Chairman Lindner and Richard Carey
Board of Assessors Robert Eames
Buildin Ins ector Joe Chalifoux
Tierney
Planners
g P
Representative for Senator Quinlin David Alperin
MDPW Taunton Mike Mahoney
Recreation Committee Louis Cinelli
Town Manager Rolfe Camp introduced to those present Robert W. Richardson
from the Department of Public Works who is heading up the projects
Mr'. Richardson: I am the Roadside Development Engineer working directly
under Robert Tierney. What we want to do is have elected officials
representing the State and Town of Mansfield aware of what the public
hearing is all about and to enlist your support at the public hearing.
I`wi.11 explain in detail what we are proposing. Step number one is to
have a rest area big enough to handle traffic:twenty years hence and
probably have information center for motorist. The information center will
not be part of the public hearing next month. The `proposal ,is to; provide
a; section of the highway which will eventually houseinformation area.
The location is just north of North Attleboro line in the gravel section
of Mansfield. This site was selected for a number of reasons. It is
undeveloped as far as buildings and the space between the interchanges.'
We have been looking for a site on the Boston Road and it is between
Route 495 and., 295, and it meets the spacing changes for deceleration
and acceleration lanes. -It seems to fit our proposal as far as distance
and general overall' location for the interstate highways. At this public
hearing we will have a large scale plan on display on how much property
is going to betaken and the land dimension area. Information on the
information site will be ;indefinite.
George Wojtkiewitcz-Planning Board: I have a question on the location of
the rest area. You 'want to have it between Routes 295 and 495• %It is
rather` interesting to me that, you say an interstate traveller is`going ,'to
want to rest before he goesonto Route 495, if he does have to go there.
Suppose`a person travelling through Providence goes into Boston. The
proposed rest area is nearer to Rhode Island. On the other hand 'suppose a
person 3s going from the South of Route 495• Is he going to want to stop after
going through Providence and before going to Route 495? I"wonder ''is thisthe'
best spot? Wouldn't Milford oi'Bellingham be better? Will you have the
same rest area on the other side?
Robert Tierney: Long range planning is to have this type of'rest .area
with samitary facilities in other locations. We will eventually have an
information building where travellers can go to find out where to stay and
places to go. So we hope to havesevento nine of these areas around the
State We feel this location is critical because eventually a lot of people
will by=pass -Providence.
Selectman Zecher: I think this is an excellent location. There is one
over by Sturbridge and on the Pittsfield line.
Jscar Lindner Finance Committee: This is a long range plana Is this going to
be used with other 'plans for Howard Johnsons `-to`be associated with you?
Robert Tierney: We cannot put in any kind of concession, we cannot sell
anything. The information site will be handled by a private concern with
the hope they will get enough tourist advertising. Assuming all goes well
this would be a permanent building with a rest area built by the State
attached to this building. Inside the building would be advertising. A
portion of the building would be set aside for State information. The
grounds would be maintained by the State. The building would be maintained
by the people who operate the building.
Robert Mendes, Planning Board: There is also talk you would have space for
overnight camping.
Robert Tierney: No.
Joseph Chalifoux, Building Inspector: This is similar to a portion of
Route 93 going to New Hampshire. The Federal Government supports this
and they do have sites for this.
Robert Eames Assessor: Is this building taxable?
Robert Tierney:No, it will be owned by the Commonwealth. This proposal
is much more elaborate than what New Hampshire has. They have proposed
`,hat q0% of the space be for public advertising. In the building there-
will be open lines to the Department of Commerce and Development. This is
one of the big selling points.
Warren Dillon: I am with the Division of Tourisim. I am working very
closely on this idea with the Department of Public Works and the Department
of Commerce and Development,.,,;,,, We have been working on it for the last
two and,`a half years. A very developed proposal was received to check
and check locations to provide information to travellers. This is something
being done on a nation wide basis. 'People are very happy with this in a
number of different states. This is what got us going. They hope to locate
on -a site available to them'. And in addition to spots mentioned on the
map the Cape may want one of these. There is a good information center on
the Circle in Hyannis. To operate such services it must be in the interest
of helping visitors. The purpose of having them on highways is to provide
him with information while he is there. It also gives him a chance to stop
and have lunch. He may just be passing through on his first trip, but we
have a chance to get him if he picks up a brochure. Someone headed to Maine
for example may be quite happy to change his plans. Or we could influence
him for his next trip. The traveller doesn't know what is 'available in the
area. We want to give visitors good service while they are: here; This one
outfit has made a darn good ;proposal to us. The Department of Public Works
3_
leases part of the area where the building would be to us, the Department
of Commerce and Development. We in turn will then check the proposal and
final _arrangements. The building would be put up by private company and
would become property of Commonwealth if the lease terminates. The
auilding would be manned seven days for nine hours a day, at least during
prime periods. During slack season we might close it down. .Eventually we
would have tourists year round. All advertising would be inside the building
nothing would be allowed to show outside. We haven't settled what it will
look like. Cleaning of rest rooms would be responsibility of private concern.
We are going under contract terms now. Whatever space we have as State
agency will be shared with local organization.
George Woitkiewitcz: I have a question about the site. If you come up by
Route 95 I think that area is part of good gravel pit. What will tired
drivers corning in looking for a cool area find, nothing but desert in that
spot.
Warren Dillon: It will be landscaped and maybe it will look better in five
or ten years. We would like to obtain this property this year and have
building in service for next summer.
David Alperin: Does that mean just physical plant?
Warren Dillon: I mean operating.
David Alperin: This won't cost the Town of Mansfield tax dollars, would they
have to appropriate monies?
Robert Tierney: No, tax income coining to town.
Jarl Nelson: This means the State will take the land, individual put building
on it and lease to State.
Warren Dillon9 The State takes the property, the Department of Public Works
installs facilities and parking area and also builds rest rooms. The
Department of Public Works leases to the Department of Commerce and
Development the privilege of erecting the building. We then have a private
concern build the building at their expense. The company, whoever it turns
out to be, will lease the privilege of being there from our Department for
maybe a dollar. The building becomes property of the State. If the lease
isbroken they would have to return area to the way in which it was kept
before they came.
Carl Nelson: This is going to be a nice business. We are getting nothing
from'i.t at all. A nice being subsidized at the towns expense because of:
the tax loss.
Warren Dillon: This is part of a state wide system. We have one spot in:
Sturbridge and we have had ;good experience with that.. If Mansfield does
not feel it has any potential gains we could come back and discuss it at;
another :time. `i The 1967 census shows 165 million dollars was received from
three types of business in the State, hotels, motels, and attractions.
Warren Dillon:
Oscar Lindner:
-4-
Almost every place in Massachusetts has an opportunity.
What would it cost?
<obert Richardson: $500,,000 90% paid by Federal 10% by state.
E. Paul Zecher: I am a little concerned about private concern. Have
of having the state man this?
Warren Dillon: Yes. We have had our two departments working together
and the cost. We don't care to recommend that we furnish the staff.
you thought
on this
E. Paul Zecher: If you are helping industry and motels and tourist attraction
what kind of deal can you make with someone to run this?
Warren Dillon: We think the deal is pretty even. They provide service and
give us 40% of the area to put in our own advertising.
David Alperin: If the advertising for non-commercial is 40%, if a town like
Barnstable wants to put something in there, can they?
Warren Dillon:,There is obviously this sort of opportunity. We do pay
the staff that is in there. We provide brochures on everything for they
visitor. We allow them to put in direct lines to motels or hotels. If is
handled without state involvement. A company can make a little deal on that.
David Alperin: Right now we don't have too much here to attract tourists.
What kind of advertising could we hope to have?
olfe Camp, Town Manager: If the Town of Mansfield had a brochure displaying
the town you wouldn't have any problem,
Oscar Lindner: Will there be an acess road to this?
Warren Dillon: No, Federal Government Regulations will not allow it.
E. Paul Zecher: Could any individual in surrounding areas put literature out?
Warren Dillon: In the 40% area as long as it is non-commercial,
Robert Richardson: The Federal Government says the information center must
be operated in such a manner that it is clearly beneficial to the highway
visitor. It is for the convenience of the travelling public.
Warren Dillon: This is exactly what we have been discussing. We think this
is -a very good situation. We hope that whatever firm does this will make
aigood profit. We want a first class job.
Further discussion was held which indicated that the State would pay the cost
of extending water mains and power lines to the area. A suggestion was made
that the building use electric heat. It was also suggested informally that
the "gas, food, lodging" signs could be put up at the Route 140 exit on 95
at no cost as a trade-off to the town for the tax loss involved in the land
taking.
"fleeting adjourned at, 9:00 PM.