HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning 04/03/1973AGENDA
April 3, 1973
1. Call to order (7:30 P.M.)
2. Clerks Report
a. Correspondence
b. Minutes of March 27, 1973
3. Warrant
4. Public Hearing
8:00 P.M. Robert L. Rizzo - Rezoning of land off Otis Street
5. Visitors Agenda
8:30 P.M. Norman Epstein re. West Mansfield Condominimum Project
9:00 P.M. Austin Keane re. Owens-Illinois, Inc.
6. Old Business
a. Status of Plans
I) Village Estates - Def. Sub. - Elm Street - 4/13/73-
2)
/13/73 2) Cabot, Cabot and Forbes - Prelim - Industrial Park - 4/27/73
3) Oakhill - Prelim - Stearns avenue - 4/28/73
4) Circle "C" Stables Park - Prelim - West Street - 4/30/73
5) Mansfield Industrial Park Realty Trust - Prelim - Maple St. - 5/4/73
6) David Smiley - Form A - Smiley Ave - 3/19/73
7) Magna Vista 11 - Def. Sub - Lawndale Road
8) Donald Ploof - Form A - Gilbert Street - 4/3/73
9) Frederick Specter - Form A - Williams Street - 4/5/73
10) Home Developers, Inc. - Form A - Maple Street - 4/10/73
11) Antonio Savini - Form A - South Main Street - 4/10/73
12) Norman Gray - Form A - South Main Street - 4/10/73
b. Town Meeting Articles
7. New Business
Around the Table
8. Adjournment
NOTE: Public Hearing for the four ZONING ARTICLES is scheduled for Thursday,
April 5, 1973 at 8:00 P.M.
MANSFIELD PLANNING BOARD
MINUTES
April 3, 1973
The Mansfield Planning Board met at the Town office Building on Tuesday,
April 3, 1973 at 7:30 P.M.
Present: Clerk Grant
Planners: Wellington, Zaffini, Nelson, Latham
Town Planner Maurer
1. Motion: Planner Wellington be appointed temporary Chairman.
(Grant-Zaffini, all in favor) VOTED
2. Letters were read from the following:
Morley and Morley to the Planning Board regarding release for lot 9 on
Bonnie Lane.
Planning Board to Allan Willis regarding Spruce Acres Subdivision Loam
Removal.
Planning Board to Richard Vazza regarding Great Woods Estate Approval
Not Required Plan.
Planning Board to Easton Planning Board regarding meeting to discuss
the "Oakhill" Preliminary Subdivision Plan.
Department of Natural Resources to Joao Periera regarding Notice of Intent
and Plans dated August 25, 197? located on Willow Street.
March issue of New England Economic indicators.
Board of Appeals notice of public hearing for Sterling Real Estate for a
Variance to establish a Real Estate Office on Chauncy Street in a Residence
"B" Zone.
Board of Appeals notice of public hearing for Woods Real Estate to attach a
4 by B foot so-called "Commander" sign to 2 existing poles located at Chauncy
Street in a Business "C" Zone.
Board of Appeals notice of public hearing for Owens-Illinois for a Variance
to construct a dwelling that would exceed the 45 foot height limit in an
Industrial Zone.
Board of Appeals notice of public hearing for Louis E. Tarsa to divide a
parcel of land located on Williams Street into two house lots and a right
of way.
Board of Appeals decision on the Application of Conley G. Eagan for a
Variance to convert a twenty-four by twenty-four foot storage buildingsinto
a three room house, VARIANCE Granted.
Board of Appeals decision on the Application of Michael Castriotta for a
Variance to convert a two family dwelling to four faimly use. Variance not
Granted.
Joint Transportation Planning Group notice of Meeting on April 4, 1973
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Joint Transportation Planning Group Minutes of Past Meeting of March 6, 1973.
SRPEDD to Zoning and Land Use Committee regarding meeting on April 5, 1973.
3. Board reviewed the minutes of March 27, 1973 and noted the following changes:
Page 3 _ Item #9 to read: Public Hearing was held at 8:00 P.M. for Village
Estates on Elm Street.
Page 3 _ Item #12 to read: Planner Wellington noted that there were three
bearings that were incorrect.
Motion: To approve the m'i'nutes of March 27, 1973 as amended.
(Grant -Nelson, all in favor) VOTED
4. Motion: To approve the warrant of April 3, 1973 in the amount of $56.51.
(Latham -Grant, all in favor) VOTED
5. Town Planner Maurer informed the Board that at the Public Hearing for Village
Estates on Elm Street held on March 27, 1973 there were three points that
were brought up; 1) The point about the fence which the Planning Board may
want to consider because the attorney for Mr. Murphy stated that if the plan
was signed by the Planning Board that he would appeal it; 2) the point raised
about the amendment to the drain line as it comes out into Hodges Brook, it
should be made to go into the direct flow of the Brook and 3) the last point
was the easement, the abutter first stated that there should be an easment
along the bfookrn and then he corrected himself to state that it should be
just for access to the bKooka. Town Planner Maurer stated that Mr. Jodice
would be willing to put in another access for the Town to maintain the Brook
if the abutter was willing to do the same thing on his side of the brook.
It was the consensus of the Board to have Mr..Jodice add a note to the plan
that the drainage easement was also to be an access easment for the Town to
get to the brook to maintain it.
Town Planner Maurer questioned if the Board had any objections to the street
names proposed. It was noted that LanternLane and Coach Road had been used
on an old plan on South Main Street know as Great Woods Estates and that the
perimeter plan filed in 1968 had eliminated the street and their names. It
was the consensus of the Board that the street names proposed would be accept-
able.
6. Town Planner Maurer informed the Board that the Board of Health had walked
the property of the Circle "C"Stables Park on West Street and he felt that
it would be advisable for someone from the Planning Board to do the same.
Planner Zaffini and Clerk Grant to meet on Saturday, April 7, 1973 at 7:00 a.m.
to walk the property of the proposed Circle "C" stables Park.
7. Town Planner Maurer informed the Board that Charlie Francis from the Mansfield
industrial Park Realty Turst informed him that they are going to take another
detailed look at the drainage and have hired Bill Moore to look at the
drainage situation in the Industrial Park. They will come in at another
time with detailed plans.
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8 Board reviewed the Form A plan for David Smiley on Smiley Avenue. It was noted
that the zoning classification on the industrial and residential zone had been
reversed. On the Van Buren property line it was noted that the dimension was
missing. It was noted that Parcel B is not mentioned in the Form A Application.
it was noted that the locus plan is not outlined and that the locus plan is
not shaded. Plan to be returned.
9. Public Hearing was held at 8:00 P.M. on the petition of Robert Rizzo for the
rezoning of 44. -acres of property in the vicinity of Sweets pond from industrial
to Agricultural District. (Clerk Grant left the room and did not participate
in any discussion.) Transcript of that hearing is on file.
10. Board reviewed the Form A Plan for Norman Gray for land on South Main Street.
It was noted that the soilsurvey was not completed until March 16, 1973 and
the planning Board in Norton signed the plan on January 16, 1973. 1t was
noted that the edge of the river was the property line.
Motion: To approve the Form A Plan for Norman Gray for land on South Main St.
(Grant -Nelson, all in favor) VOTED
11. Board reviewed the Form A Plan for Antonio Savini for land on South Main Street.
It was noted that the note had been placed on the plan stating that"Parcel "B"
to be conveyed to R.H. Fuller and is not a conforming lot and that Parcel "A"
to remain in ownership of Savini and is not a conforming lot" as requested by
the Planning Board.
Motion: To approve the :form A Plan for Antonio Savini for land on South
Main Street.
(Grant -Nelson, all in favor) VOTED
12. Board met with Mr. Norman Epstein, the proposed developer for a piece of
property in West Mansfield to be developed into condominiums, Mr. Da.
Simpson, Mr. Richard Bertman, Mr. Charles Spohrs, Engineer, and Mr.
Kelly his attorney along with Board of Health members Chairman Leonard Flynn,
Richard Secher, Jack Folan and Town Manager Dennis Hannon.
Mr. Epstein informed the Board that he had an option on land of Richard ,Morse
which has frontage on Elm Street and is near Oak Street. Mr. Epstein stated
that he had done studies on the land and if the Town finds it acceptable he
would be putting 224 condonminium units, mostly Town Houses, which will con-
tinue through the depth of the site. Mr. Epstein stated that he is proposing
recreation facilities to include 2 indoor tennis courts, 2 outdoor tennis
courts, a swimming pool, and recreation rooms. Mr. Epstein stated that they
had done studies on the fiscal: impact on the Town resources, an economic study,
and presented a copy of the studies to each member of the Board. The Booklets
showed what the fiscal impact will be on the condiminiums, if it will cost the
Town money or if the Town will make money. it was the conclusion of the study
that the Town will make money.
Mr. Bertman explained the location of the proposed condominiums in relation
to Elm Street and the Wading River. There is a series of clusters along the
main drive and each of these clusters is made up of parking areas for each
Town House. There will be 10 Town Houses in each building, with surrounding
open space. Mr. Bertman pointed out the wooded area and the slope to the
Wading River, and the location of the proposed recreation area. Presented the
Board with diagrams of the different layouts for the 4 types of condominiums
to be constructed, containing 2 and 3 bedroom units.
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Mr. Bertman stated that the perimeter of the site is 34 acres, 224 proposed
units, 75% would be 2 bedroom Town Houses, 15 % will be 2 bedroom with a
den or study, and 10% will be 3 bedroom. The coverage of the site by houses
and roads is only 8.7% of the site and 780% of the site will. be landscaped
open space. The density i;s 6.7, units per acre..
Mr. Simpson explained that there would be a series of small lots ranging
from 3 to 5 acres. Once these clusters would be developed the road would
run up to a cul-de-sac. This would be maintained as a private road. The
present plan is to bring a small water line from the existing Elm Street
line into a storage tank for fireprotection and household use. There would
be a pump ow the tank to provide adequate pressure to serve the area. The
drainage would follow the road and out into the Wading River. In the rear
of the property there is a lot that would be reserved as a natural lot and
not a building lot. The Club houa_would be on a separate lot than the
Town Houses.
Mr. Spohrs explained that the sanitary disposal would be inconformance with
article XI of the State Sanitary Code for each building and all the affluent
would go to a septic tank and into a distribution box and then into leaching
pits with liners backed up with stone. There would be no pumping. The
leaching pits will be 20 feet from the buildings and 10 feet from any property
li a If n es ary w �r�ouId put the leaching pits in the parking area as they
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w4in4L 51 _up_ta 6 to s. The sanitary systems will be designed for a
garbage disposal. They would have 200% capacity and the leaching pits would
be 175% capacity. Mr. Spohrs stated that he would also abide by any regulations
that the Mansfield Board of Health has. He stated that they have been doing
this for apartments for 23 years and it would all have to be approved by the
state. They stated that they had some drawings which they'wo6fd like the
Board of Health to review and then they would submit them to the State.
Mr. Epstein stated that they would like to consult with the various Department
heads of the Town.•.They plan to have gas to heat and to provide hot water
and range power. The houses have been scattered to provided as much privacy
as possible. All utilities would be underground, as well as the storage tank.
The body of water shown on the plan is existing with no drainage proposed to
go into it. The units would be sold as individual units. The price range
would be 27,000 to 34,000dollars. The density is below that of the maximum
allowable.
Clerk Grant questioned if the parcel in the rear would be maintained by the
management. Mr. Epstein informed the Board that it would and that the manage-
ment would be the people who own the condominiums, and when the developer
moves out everything is sold. The open space and the roads are owned by
the owners of the condominiums. The developer would sign an additional
contract as Manager -for a couple of years. Tneykhave a group called the
ownership council who would decide this . Planner Zaffini questioned if
there would be deed restrictions to cover the maintainence of the open space
and roads. Mr. Epstein stated that when they buy the condominium they are
buying a share in the recreation area, open space, and the road.
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Planner Nelson questioned how they would guarantee that the roads and such would
be maintained. Mr. Epstein explained that there is a maintenance charge which
is just like a real estate tax and has to be paid every month or year or they
can lose,, the ownership of their condominium.
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Board of Health Member Richard Secher questioned how many buildings in each
cluster and how much water they would use. Mr. Epstein stated that it varied
from 2 to 4 buildings and that they would use 600 to 1,000 gallons. Clerk
Grant questioned what type of percolation they got when they took them. Mr.
S ohrs stated tha �
J w s eh p r mi ute and there were 33 holes. It was
noted that t � je � e 'M �'¢ UQ is less than 2 inches per minute.
It was noted that the holds; were witnessed by a;representative from the Mass.
Department of Public Health.
Planner Latham questioned how long the road would be to the end of the cul-
de-sac. Mr. Epstein informed the Board that it was approximately 1700 feet,
and the construction of the road would be in conformance with Planning Board
rules and Regulations but it would remain a private road. Clerk Grant
questioned why the condiminiums had been divided into different lots with
three or four town houses in each lot. Mr. Epstein explained that they had
been dividediup,A nto years production as they planned to construct between
50 and 75 units per year. They figured it would take 3 to 4 years to build
the entire project. The recreation area would be developed when the first
units are built. Clerk Grant questioned if they would develop the road back
to the recreation area when it was developed. Mr. Epstein assured the Board
they would.
Chairman Flynn from the Board of Health questioned what type of construction
the _buildings would be. Mr. Epstien stated that it would be wood grain and
they are two story buildings from 25 to 28 feet high. Town Manager Hannon
questioned why the Town Houses were not broken up into a more cluster form.
Mr. Epstein stated that they were designed in this layout to take away from
the flatness of the land. Chairman Flynn questioned when they would be starting
construction if the plans were approved. Mr. Epstein stated that it would be
either July or August and they hoped to have open house in late Spptember
or early October. Chairman Flynn pointed out that under the exciting zoning
apartment houses are not allowed in the Agricultural Zone. Clerk Grant
questioned if they had any other condominium projects. Mr. Epstein stated
they were in the process of building a project in Mashpoe. Clerk Grant
questioned the size of the project in Mashpee. Mr. Epstein stated that it
would total 56 units and that they are now under construction.
Town Planner Maurer informed the Board that Mr. Epstein had just submitted
the preliminary plans which shows the detail of the drainage and the street
layout. it was noted that under the new regulations when a development has
more than one dwelling unit on a lot the plan has to be approved by the
Planning Board.
Board questioned what would be used for fire protection. It was pointed out
that the storage tank would pump 11 50 gallons per minute. Mr. Epstein stated
that there would be a fire alarm system going to each unit. This fire alarm
system would be connected to the fire station and a loud horn blows at the
development. There will also be smoke detectors installed.
Mr. Epstein informed the Board that he would like them to review their plan
and make any comments on it before he goes'- to the Board of Appeals for a
hearing on this matter.
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13. Board met with Mr. Austin Keane, representative of Owens-Illinois glass
manufacturing co, and Mr. Norman Moore of the industrial Development,of the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Mr. Keane informed the Board that Owens-
Illinois has an option on land in the Mansfield Industrial Park Realty Trust
and that they would be constructing; a dwelling over the 45 feet allowed and
have filed for a zoning variance on the height limitations. It was noted that
one of the buildings.would be 150 feet high. Mr. Keane informed the Board
that theyshad 'taken an,opti,on on approximate 60 acres and that Ryan and Elliot
was obligated to provide a road subject to subdivision regulations. Mr. Keane
informed the Board that they may want to put a rail in closer to the batch
plant.
Mr. Keane stated that it is a 6 to 9 million dollar plant for the manufacturing
of glass bottles, and they have to have rail. He informed the Board that
there will be approximately 3#00+,cars a year. The plp_nt will operate 7 days
a week. There will be approximate 60 cars a week, 6 UrJQ a day. At the
present time there is only 1 or 2 cars a day, it is estimated that there will
be approximately 60 trucks a day in and out. There will be approximately 300
employees on 3 shifts with about`80 persons per shift, plus office workers.
There is about 20% of the employees that will be brought in and the rest will
be local employees. The tax figures have not been discussed as of yet. They
are in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. In the future they may plan expan-
sion which could double the size and capacity. There is going to be generated
more water run off, which is the responsibility of Ryan and Elliot, and he
understood that the Planning Board is trying to work this out with them now.
Mr. Keane stated that two years ago they had looked at the;site and it was
too wet but it has now been drained considerably.
Mr. Keane stated that they had filed for a Variance and if the variance is
turned down they would not be able to use the site. The zoning states that
the height of any structure should be 45 feet and they have exceeded that and
wash to construct 150 feet at the location of the batch tower. The filtration
area will be up to 70 feet with ventilaters and 2 furnaces. Planner Zaffini
questioned what would be put in the air for pollution. Mr. Keane assured
the Board that there would be no polluting in the ai'r.and there will be no
noises that are objectionable. Sewer we think is adequate and we have gone
to the State and we have talked with the Town about i As for water, they
will use a consider amount of water, approximately gallons per day.
Clerk Grant questioned if there would be any trains at night. Mr. Keane
stated that he was not certain of this but the plant runs 7 days a week,
365 days a year with only 2 - 8hr breaks, which he thought to be Christmas
and Labor Day.
Planner Wellington questioned on the site plan where they were going to put
the 500,000 gallons of water every 5 years when they cleaned the furnaces.
Mr. Keane stated that they have 11 truck docks with a canopy and the docks
fun back towards the building. They would shut one furnace down at a time
and just let it go to the dock area so that it cools before it goes to the
drainage system. Planner Latham pointed out that the major problem to the
whole project was the water rum, off. It was pointed out that there is a
natural spring behind Horner Waldorf. Planner Nelson stated that when Ryan
and Elliot returned with the definitive plans for the drainage system they
would have a joint meeting with the Conservation Commission to discuss it.
Mr. Keane requested to be notified when this meeting would take place as he
would like to attend.
Planner Zaffini informed Mr. `Keane that off of Shields street there is a
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cart road that runs through the property and behind the houses on Shields
Street there is a stream that runs through the property and it might be a
F, passible solution to the drainage problem. Mr. Keane stated that he would
look into this.
Town Planner Maurer pointed out that the storage facilities in the rear of
the building were not proposed to be closed in and stated that with the
Recreational Park and the Housing for the Elderly proposed it would be a good
idea to have some kind of planted buffer. Mr. Keane stated that he would be
glad to look into this if the Planning Board would inform him of exactly what
they would like. It was pointed out by Mr. Keane that the proposed location
of the building is not definite as it may be moved further over on the lot.
Mr. Keane requested the Board to inform him if they would require a buffer
strip within the next few days.
Mr. Keane requested to be present for the joint meeting with the Conservation
Commission, Ryan & Elliot, and the Planning Board when the meeting is arranged.
Town Planner Maurer to inform him when the meeting will be held. Planning
Board requested to have a copy of the correspondence between the Town Manager
and Owens-Illinois sent out with the Minutes of this meeting.
14. Board reviewed the Form A Plan for Home Developers, Inc. for land on Maple
Street. It was noted that it would have to be stamped ''Approval of this plan
does not imply the approval of any future roadway for any future subdivision.''
Motion: Tor>sign theLEorm A Plan for Home Developers, Inc. "for land on Maple
street with the plan stamped ''Approval of this plan does not imply
the approval of any future roadway for any future subdivision.''
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15. Board reviewed the Form A Plan for Donald Ploof for land on Gilbert Street.
It was noted that the three bearings had been corrected as requested.
Motion: To approve the Form A Plan for Donald Ploof for land on Gilbert St.
(Zaffini-Latham, all in favor) VOTED
16. Board discussed the Definitive Subdivision Plan for Home Developers Inc. of
Magna Vista 11 off of Lawndale Road. Clerk Grant stated that he did not feel
it was completely the responsibility of the developerto have to clean out the
culvert, however once he gets on private land then he would have to get an
easement. Town Planner Maurer pointed out that if the plan was approved it
would have to be approved with the exception of the 5 lots that would require
a Hatch Act. Clerk Grant stated that theonly thing pending the approving
of the Plan was the drainage. Planner Latham stated that he felt the drainage
should be straightened out. Planner Nelson questioned what the conditions were
like on the other side of the culvert and if it would handle the water once it
was cleaned out. Town Planner Maurer stated that the culvert that was presently
there would be large enough but they would have to consider the effect on the
property down stream. Clerk Grant questioned if the water presently stays with-
in the banks or if it overflowed. It was noted that it stays within the banks.
Planner Wellington, after reviewing the drainage figures of the engineer stated
that the figures were not logical. Town Planner Maurer to ask the engineer to
meet with the Board to discuss the figures. Planner Wellington and Clerk Grant
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to review the figures further for the next meeting.
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17. Board reviewed the charts for the Hodges Brook Flow meter and noted that there
was a large increaseinthe volume of water in the past week. It was noted that
there had been 2 1/2 inches of rainfall in the past few days. It was noted that
the culvert needed to be cleaned out as there were large boulders and rocks.
18, Planner Latham stated that he felt the Conservation Commission might be interested
in the land down at the gravel pit as they are filling in between the street
and the swamp. It was noted that the location is up where Maple and Winter
Streets come together, on the northerly side of Maple and the eastly side of
Franklin Streets.
19. Planner Nelson questioned when the time limit on the condominium plan would be.
Town Planner Maurer pointed out that it would be the 15th of June of this year,
and that they would have to apply for a variance for a special permit by that
time. Town Planner Maurer pointed out that the Planning Board has a preliminary
subdivision plan as they would have to get approval from the Planning Board for
vehicular access to the development.
20. Planner Nelson questioned if the Board was going to set up a meeting with
Ryan and Elliot to discuss the drainage. Planner Wellington stated that this
could not be done until they came in with some kind of drainage plans. Town"
Planner Maurer pointed out that they had just hired Bill Moore to review the
drainage.
21. Town Planner Maurer informed the Board that he had discussed the invoice for
the setting of the Stone bounds within the Magna Vista Recreation Area with
Boston Survey Consultants, and that he had explained to them that it was his
understanding that the $500 was a not to exceed figure. Boston Survey Con-
sultants informed him that they put the not to exceed figure agreements in
writing, however they dropped the bill from $624 to $544.50 because they had
a new rate go into effect on March lst so they made the new bill on the old
rates. Town Planner Maurer pointed out that the Town Treasurer had cashed the
check for $2,000 which the Town was holding for Mr. D'Annolfo forthis purpose.
Town Planner Maurer informed the Board that there was a $2.00 charge to cash
the check and the agreement was to pay Boston Survey Consultants out of the
balance of the $2,000 and return the remainder to Mr. D'Annolfo. It was noted
that there would be a recording fee and a charge for,the deed work and that
this should come out of the $2,000 before the remainder is returned to Mr.
D'Annolfo. It was noted that the Town is still holding bonds for the con-
struction work to be completed on the roads within the Magna Vista Subdivision.
It was the consensus of the Board that the $544.50 figure for the work done
in the Magna Vista Recreation Area by Boston Survey Consultants was acceptable.
22. Board discussed the Public Hearing on the Zoning Articles to be held on
Thursday, April 5, 1973. It was noted that Planner Nelson, Planner Mac-
Farlane, and Planner Zaffini would be unable to attend. It was noted that
the articles had been reviewed once so that they will only need to ask for
additional comments.
23. Board reviewed the articles for the Annual Town Meeting that would concern
easements. Planner Wellington had requested at an earlier meeting that the
Town Planner obtain the plans for these easements incase the planning Board is
requested to comment on them. Town Planner Maurer pointed out that Articles
14 and 15 are for drainage easements and there were no plans but just easement
descriptions. Town Planner Maurer pointed out that the one for Sheehan in article
16 is just for the acceptance of a drainage easement that used to be just sewer
and now they have installed the drainage. Article 17 is for an easement from
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Thomas on the other side off Hall Street from the development of Allan Willis
. and the only material that has been submitted is quite vague and there are
no plans submitted. Town Planner Maurer pointed out that Article 16 refers
to plans but the Town Manager did not have any on file,
Town Planner Maurer pointed out that articles 18, 19, and 20 refered to the
Electric Light and Power plans, however he was unable to obtain them and would
try to get them from Mr. Ferrier, superintendent of the Light Department, Mrs,
Jellinek informed the Board that she has copies of the plans and presented a
copy for the Boards review, Mrs. Jellinek pointed out that the article was
for the selling of 4.3 acres of access noad to New England Power Company, and
by doing so they would eliminate the access to the Mansfield Power Plant and
Mansfield would no longer own the power company .
Town Planner Maurer to obtain plans from Mr. Ferrier starting at Gilbert
Street and bring them to the Town Meeting on Monday, April 9, 1973.
24. Me ting adjourned at 11:50 P.M.
Clerk
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