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Conservation Commission Meeting
March 3, 2003
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Present: Paul Boyden, Chair; Christine Flass, Diane Ready, Jack Smith
Richard Lewis, Conservation and Environmental Planner
11. Meeting called to order at 7:30 p.m.
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2. Public Hearing Notice of Intent - Bay Brook Village LLC - Branch Street _
DEP File #SE 211-679
The chair opened the public hearing for the construction of a 24-lot residential
subdivision with roadway, drainage and utilities, and seven homes with grading and
associated work within 100 feet of a wetland resource area. Mr. Oberlander presented
the certified mail green cards. Mr. Boyden explained this public hearing is strictly to
discuss conservation issues, and those will be the only items discussed.
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David Oberlander, BDO Engineering, representing Bay Brook Village, LLC,
explained the plan for a 1,300 foot-long cul-de-sac with three wetland areas on Branch
Street. The major wetland area is east of the site, and Mr. Oberlander said it is a
marginal wetland. The wetland area is wooded, and has been flagged. However,
because of the snow, Mr. Lewis has been unable to verify the wetland flags. There are
two isolated wetland areas under 5,000 square feet. One is a depression in the woods
with some wetland vegetation and standing water during the wet season, and goes
somewhat off site. The second appears to be manmade and may have been a farm
pond. The 25-foot no build buffer zone is shown on the plan, with no work proposed
within the 25-foot area, but there will be a drainage outfall. The 100-foot buffer zone
line is shown; part of the roadway and most of the cul-de-sac, the drainage area, and
several proposed lots enter into the buffer zone.
Board Comments
Mr. Lewis said he has spoken with Mr. Oberlander about his inability to visit the site
because of the weather, and suggested a continuation to give the weather a chance to
break. Mr. Oberlander said a continuation would be fine. Mr. Oberlander said he has
conducted a constant head test with Mr. Field and the soils are good. He said he has
submitted a preliminary plan to the ZBA, and when he receives comments on that,
they will be addressed and a full drainage report and a full plan will be submitted. Mr.
Lewis said with a regular subdivision, the commission would want Mr. Sullivan's
review of the drainage calculations and hydrology, and he assumed that process would
be the same with this application. Mr. Oberlander said he would do that. Mr. Lewis
suggested he, Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Oberlander get together before the next meeting.
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Mr. Oberlander said in the preliminary plan, he proposed a drainage swale near the
wetland area, as well as two leaching manholes near Branch Street. Mr. Boyden said
the public would be able to look at that report when it is submitted. Mr. Lewis said it
was likely the ZBA process would begin in a month or so, and the abutters would be
notified of that public hearing.
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Ms. Ready said the commission has the discretion to ask for a 25- to 50-foot no
disturb zone, and has been asking for 50 feet on new construction. She said it looked
like that could be achieved on most of this plan. Mr. Oberlander said it could be done
on most of the site, but the cul-de-sac and several other spots would come close to the
25 feet. He said some of those spots would depend on whether the two smaller
wetland areas are jurisdictional or not, such as on Lot 19.
Ms. Flass asked where the nearest stream is located. Mr. Oberlander said the Back
Bay Brook crosses Branch Street more than 200 feet away from this site, so the Rivers
Act would not apply. He said the Canoe River is also outside of200 feet away. Mr.
Oberlander said the site is within the Zone C of the flood map.
Mr. Oberlander said the site was flagged in August 2002, and the wetland he thought
was manmade was dry; however, there is water in it now. The other small wetland
was also dry at the time, but will probably have water in it now.
Ms. Flass asked if National Heritage Wildlife had been checked; Mr. Lewis said it had
been, and there was nothing on site.
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Mr. Oberlander said the drainage will probably not change drastically, but he will
provide additional data. There will be several pairs of catch basins connected to
manholes, then connected to a water quality swale near the cul-de-sac. The paved
road is proposed to be 22 feet wide with a five-foot sidewalk on one side.
Mr. Oberlander showed the commission a full set of plans, including topography; he
said the site is very flat. The site is on sanitary sewer, and the last five houses will
have individual grinder pumps connected to a manhole.
Mr. Oberlander said the pavement could probably be kept about 46 feet away from the
wetland on Lot 23, with the house at about 41 feet. He said he will be able to stay 50
feet away in most spots, with a few exceptions.
Ms. Flass asked about areas where the lawns might expand into the wetland over the
years, saying the commission has been requiring signage or fences, as well as deed
restrictions in some cases. Mr. Lewis said that could be a recommendation to the
ZBA. Ms. Flass said she was concerned about one of the smaller wetland areas being
a vernal pool and requiring additional protection.
Mr. Boyden said the commission would want the runoff from each house to be
collected on site. Mr. Oberlander suggested dry wells, which would cover the
requirements for recharge.
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Public Comment
John Gruskas, 15 Farm Pond Path, said the area was dry in August, and suggested
using caution when describing it as dry. He said many of his neighbors have had
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flooding problems and have installed sump pumps or French drains, and he was
concerned about additional drainage problems. Mr. Oberlander explained his
drainage calculations study pre- and post- construction conditions, and he is required
to devise drainage structures which will result in no increase in runoff from the site.
He said this site is downhill from the existing houses, toward the large wetland area.
He said even without any drainage structures, the wetland is so large the abutters
wouldn't notice any change.
Mr. Gruskas asked about the catch basins; Mr. Oberlander said they would be tied to a
leaching trench and recharge into the ground near house 134. This will avoid runoff
onto Branch Street.
Gary Price asked about the impact of the removal of mature trees. Mr. Oberlander
said he uses a computer program and a stormwater guideline to arrive at a number
based on the soil type and ground cover for each portion of the project. The numbers
are put together to result in a "runoff number" for the site. Mr. Price said the trees
absorb a lot of moisture in the ground; Mr. Oberlander said the program accounts for
mature trees versus pavement. Mr. Price asked about trees that will be preserved; Mr.
Oberlander said the site will not be clear cut, but everything in the roadway will be
cut, as well as clearing for the houses and driveways.
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Mr. Oberlander said the site is very flat, and will remain so post-development. There
will be undulations built into the road to keep the runoff moving, as well as a crown in
the middle of the roadway. Water crossing the road will be caught by the catch
basins. Some of the lots will have some fill brought in.
Dan Lemlin, 27 Farm Pond Path, said he has had three 100-year floods in his
basement, and that site is a lot wetter than many believe. He was concerned that
taking the trees out will allow additional water to flow off this site.
Mr. Gruskas said the pond in their development fills up very quickly, which often
results in flooded basements.
Mr. Oberlander said the groundwater is at elevation 137, and the roadway runs from
144-145. He said the drainage swale would be a grass-lined channel, which is a DEP
best management practice, and will be designed for the 100-year storm. The swale
starts at elevation 139 and is relatively flat. Mr. Oberlander said the elevation of flag
19 is at 139; the spot elevations shown are existing contours.
Bill Bryer, 158 Branch Street, said one of the small wetlands is partially on his
property and it is wet right now. He asked if there would be additional runofffrom
the new Lot 19, which is close to his house. Mr. Oberlander said the house would
have a dry well to collect the runoff, which will hold the water and release it slowly.
He said the volume would be the same before and after, but the engineering would
ensure the runoff rate would be less than or equal to pre-construction conditions. The
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dry wells will be designed above the high groundwater level, so the groundwater's
impact on their functioning will be minimal.
Mr. Lewis explained the outcome of this will be an Order of Conditions with a variety
of conditions, including the dry wells. He said stormwater will be addressed with the
commission; any normal subdivision going through the process will have had its
drainage issues reviewed by the Town Engineer. Since there won't be that normal
subdivision review, the commission will have to work with the applicant and Town
Engineer to address stormwater management issues.
Motion: To continue the public hearing to April 14, 2003 at 7:45 p.m.
(plass-Ready) All in favor. PASSES
/3. Correspondence
Mr. Lewis explained he had received a letter from Mr. Clemmey regarding the
dumping of snow by the town at the Plymouth Street recreational facility. The area in
question is the rear portion of the site, for which the commission issued an Order of
Conditions in 2000. Mr. Lewis said he has visited the site several times. There is a
silt fence at the 25-foot boundary at the back of the proposed field, which is
incomplete. There are loam piles in the area; the town used the area for snow
dumping during the last large storm. A portion of the silt fence was pushed until it
was knocked over, and a snow pile went over the fence. Lewis said the silt fence will
r need to be reestablished after the snow melts. He said he had a call from an Old Elm
Street resident, who said he noticed an oily smell on site; Mr. Lewis said he didn't
notice any smell on his site visits. He said in the final design, there will be a swale
around the field to a double catch basin, and another swale leading to a larger catch
basin; however, the site and drainage components are incomplete at this time. The
state issued a snow disposal policy in 2001, and other than the fact that the silt fence
was disturbed, this is not a bad place to dispose of snow. Mr. Lewis said Hodges
Brook runs under Plymouth Street, but is not close to this work; this site is not within
the water resource protection district or the ACEC. Mr. Lewis has walked the site
with the DPW Director and with Mark Cook; he suggested a memo to Mr. Azinheira
with the commission's concerns. The order expired February 2003, so the town will
either need an extension or a new Order of Conditions.
Mr. Boyden suggested the commission recommend the town establish a snow removal
plan.
Motion: To send Mr. Azinheira, with a copy to the Board of Selectmen, a letter
recommending the town establish a snow removal plan (Ready-Flass)
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Mr. Leonard Flynn said the NRT is an abutter to this site, and he has visited it. He
said the site is a mess and looks like a storage facility for earthen material. He said
the town needs to consider what will happen when that much snow is dumped on a
site that already has significant water problems.
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Mr. Clemmey said the Order of Conditions has expired, which he said Mr. Lewis's
letter to the Board of Selectmen did not mention. He said he believes the runoff from
snow dumping does flow into Hodges Brook. He showed the commission pictures of
the area showing snow with what he purported to be oil on top. He said he had
samples taken and will provide the commission with the results. He said the snow is
being dumped in several other areas than the one indicated in Mr. Lewis's letter.
Mr. Boyden asked if snow dumping is a violation of the Order of Conditions. Mr.
Lewis said he didn't believe so. Mr. Clemmey said the order specifies "no debris"
shall be dumped on site.
Ms. Flass said there appeared to be two issues; one with the snow removal policy and
the other that the order has expired and the site is a mess.
Amendment to the Motion: To send Mr. Azinheira, with a copy to the Board of
Selectmen, a letter recommending the town establish a snow removal plan and to
include a second letter to invite the DPW to meet with the commission and explain
how it plans to address the expired order of conditions and to stabilize the site.
(Flass -Smith) All in favor. PASSES
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Mr. Mangiaratti suggested the commission invite the DPW representatives in to
explain the concerns and tell them what the commission wants done about it, then
decide the best course of action. Mr. Lewis said he would get in touch with Mr.
Azinheira.
Mr. Clemmey said he believed the next discussion item, with Mr. Flynn, is a violation
of the open meeting act, and that Mr. Mangiaratti is not here for Mr. Flynn's
discussion. Mr. Flynn said he is here to discuss potential land purchases, which can
be done under executive session. Mr. Flynn said they are talking with land owners
about the possible purchase of land, which can be discussed under executive session.
Motion: To go into executive session for Mr. Flynn's land acquisition discussion and
Mr. Mangiaratti's pending litigation discussion, and to come out of executive session
to adjourn the meeting (Smith-Ready) All in favor. PASSES
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Conservation Commission Meeting
March 3, 2003
Minutes Continued
I 6. Adjournment
Mr. Lewis said he had received a new application for an age 55 and over housing
development on Peter DeGirolamo's land on East Street, and suggested scheduling
it for the first meeting in April.
Motion: To cancel the March 17 meeting unless the East Street applicant wants to
hold his public hearing before April meeting (Ready-Flass) All in favor. PASSES
Motion: To adjourn at 10:45 p.m. (plass-Ready) All in favor. PASSES
Date of Next Meeting: March 17,2003 at 7:30 p.m.
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