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Planning Board Minutes
April 12, 2006 06 rlPR 27 PM 2: 4 ,
Present: Tom Fren~h, Chair; Fred Armstrong, Clerk; Walter Jen1cing,'.~~~J~~tp, John
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1. March 1, 2006 minutes
Motion: To approve as submitted (DeMassi-Armstrong) All in favor. PASSES
2. March 1, 2006 letter from David O'Sullivan, Village Landing LLC re: footprint
changes to accommodate elevators. Elevation plans showing the addition of elevators
have been submitted. Mr. Jenkins asked if the berm at the front of the site was done
in accordance with the plan. Mr. Burke said there has been some discussion about
altering the approved landscaping plan and said staff is going to request a new
landscaping plan for the site. Mr. Burke said the Light Department has been directing
developers not to plant within ten feet of a transformer, which will require changes to
the landscaping plan. The project's new landscape architect has concerns about
whether the species originally proposed will be able to survive. New plans showing
the elevators have also been submitted, with the buildings being squared off, so the
elevators are inside the buildings. Mr. Annino asked how the elevator shafts would
be vented. Mr. Burke said the developer would have to submit landscape and
foundation as-built plans. Mr. DeMassi said he would like to see a detail of the plans
for the elevator ventilation. He said he was concerned that with the elevators being
squared off, the buildings would be even closer together. Mr. French said it looked
like the area for the elevators were being taken from the porches. Mr. Burke said the
porches were always there; all they have done is reduce the depth of that space to
accommodate the elevator shaft. Mr. Burke said the footprint of the porch area
doesn't go out any further than originally proposed.
3. March building permit summary
4. The Beacon
Jennifer Drive - VB Realty Trust. A variance has been granted for insufficient frontage
for two lots off Jennifer Drive. The remaining land will be donated to the town.
Motion: To endorse the Form A (Armstrong-DeMassi) All in favor. PASSES
The clerk read the public hearing notice. Mr. French explained the board will be asked to
make a report to Town Meeting with a recommendation on each article.
FAR in Industrial 3
Dr. Torman asked if some of these articles were brought to Town Meeting last year. Mr.
Karl Clemmey said there was an article for change in FAR at last year's Town Meeting,
r but this one is different. Mr. French examined the two articles and found three of the
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ratios are the same, two are different. Mr. Clemmey said if the board supports the article,
it can return to Town Meeting, even if it is the same. He said he has plans ready to build "'"\
a storage facility on his Foundry LLC land. )
Mr. William Clemmey said they had come to the board a year ago, and at the time were
asked to hold off until the TOD project was complete. He said that plan is to provide
higher density development in the area of the train station; he said they are asking to do
that without waiting for the TOD plan to be developed at some time in the future. He
said the Cecil Group's calculation is for 182,000 square feet, and a higher density
development would be more tax revenue. He said Phase I of Cecil's plan includes mostly
housing with 250-300 homes, 250-500 cars, 250-500 more children. He said it makes
sense to use the land for mixed commercial uses and said they would be willing to work
with the town to develop the land.
Mr. Karl Clemmey noted Franklin is doing a lot of work around the train station and
Foxboro is doing a lot of development around the area of the stadium.
Public Comment
Sandra Levine, 20 Walnut Street, said Mr. Clemmey is going on the premise that building
will happen at a greater density. She said density should fit the whole community, not
just the one area Mr. Clemmey owns. She said that density change would apply to any 13
land in town. She said Mr. Clemmey's petitions always seem to be asking to change the
zone to meet his ideas, and changes like this shouldn't be made piecemeal, but should be
considered town-wide.
Mr. French asked where the other 13 zones are. Mr. Dan Clemmey said there would be
setback and landscaping requirements for any 13 parcels. Mr. Armstrong asked what is
allowed in R3; Mr. Burke said business is not allowed, and the highest density is a
residential duplex.
Mr. Burke explained FARis a zoning tool that means with a 10,000 square foot lot and a
.25 FAR, 2,500 square feet of building would be allowed. He said with 1.0 FAR, the
density is quadrupled, so there could be 10,000 square feet of building on the same sized
lot. He said there would still be 35% open space, parking areas and height restrictions.
Mr. DeMassi asked if you can get a variance on open space; Mr. Burke said if you want
to do a different landscape design, you could get a special permit. If you want to do less
than 35% open space, you could seek dimensional relief with a variance. Dr. Torman
said without the zoning change, a variance is still possible. Mr. French said the proposal
is to change the Zoning By-Law so that standard becomes the norm. Mr. DeMassi said
there has been no agreement to the proposals by the Cecil Group, so that may not be what
is implemented. He said he has attended those meetings and he doesn't necessarily agree
with the consultant's density numbers. Mr. Dan Clemmey said the B2 zone has a 2.0
FAR with no setbacks; Mr. Burke said there is a big difference between those two zones.
Mr. Burke said Mr. Clemmey mentioned the Cecil Group has cost the taxpayers
$100,000; he said that is not true because the study has been funded under grants. He
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said the Cecil Group's proposals are presenting densities needed to make the area
(' attractive to businesses. Mr. Burke said the town tried to set up a meeting this week with
the landowners in the train station area, but was unsuccessful. Mr. Clemmey said staff
meetings with the Cecil Group have cost the town money in staff time.
Mr. Burke said at this point, there are no zoning proposals from the Cecil Group. The
town will be able to accept the consultant's report, accept a portion of it or reject it. He
said at the last meeting, there was less than unanimous support for the Cecil Group's
idea. Mr. Dan Clemmy said they submitted a TOD proposal to the board a year ago; Mr.
Burke said the zoning proposals that came out of that were for a study that never
happened. He said there was no public planning process for the Clemmey's in-house
study. Mr. Dan Clemmey said they could build at allowed density now. Mr. Bill
Clemmey said they are frustrated because the Cecil Group hasn't met with the Planning
Board. Mr. DeMassi said the original plan was to have a few members of several boards
meet with the Cecil Group before coming back to the whole board.
Mr. Clemmey said the FAR change in the land around the train station area,
encompassing 3- 4 landowners, would mean an increase in taxes. Mr. Clemmey said
with increased FAR, taxes will increase at the same ratio. He said the 17 acres generates
around $770,000 in revenues, and with four times more density, there would be four
times more tax revenue.
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Mr. DeMassi asked what could be done with an increased FAR that cannot be done at the
current FAR. Mr. Bill Clemmey said if they build at current FAR and leave the rest of
the land vacant for future plans under TOD, they are running the risk of not being able to
develop that additional land. He said he thinks mixed-use development in the train
station area would be the best use. Mr. Dan Clemmey said if they build storage buildings
now, each floor would be counted toward the .25 FAR.
Mr. Armstrong said he agrees that some increase in FAR makes sense, but doesn't know
what that number should be. He said he didn't think he wanted to see a 30-foot tall
storage building. Mr. Bill Clemmey said they would build the storage units in a corner of
the lot, so there will be some left for when the TOD study is done. Mr. Bill Clemmey
presented a preliminary plan showing possible development of the Foundry site.
Mrs. Levine asked if the FAR increases four times, wouldn't the amount of public service
be increased by four times? Mr. Bill Clemmey said it would, but they are not proposing
all residential. Mrs. Levine said even with business uses, water, electric and sewer would
increase. Mrs. Levine said self storage would be very inexpensive to build and would
only require a minimum of those services; she suggested the self storage could be built
now at what is currently allowed, then demolished to make room for what will eventually
be done under TOD.
Mr. French asked the board if they want to vote on this. Mr. Burke said the board
typically votes at a public meeting prior to Town Meeting.
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Mr. DeMassi asked if. 75 would be better than 1.0. Mr. Bill Clemmey said that might be
a compromise. Mr. DeMassi said he would be more inclined to support .75. ')
SS and Over Residential Development 10 acres to 6 acres
Mr. Karl Clemmey said he would like to be able to use the land behind Shaw's and
Staples for an Over 55 development. That use currently requires 10 acres, but they have
around six. Mr. Bill Clemmey said the article asks for the minimum land area necessary
for this use, which is a special permit in B3 and R2, to be reduced. He said there are
currently only two B3 parcels left in town, both of which are wet. He said he thinks this
would be a good use for the parcels between the retail uses and the single family
residential uses. He said there would be 2-3 buildings with several units in each. He said
he didn't think anyone would want apartments or a 40B development on that land. He
said 55 and over developments do not put a strain on services.
Public Comment
Celeste Jones, 60 South Walnut Street, said the citizens' petition says there are 5.8 acres
on those parcels. Mr. Bill Clememy said the rezoning article does not include all of the
land on those parcels.
Mrs. Jones asked the difference between the amount of housing that could be built with 6
or 10 acres. Mr. Burke explained the 55 and Over provision allows about 10 units per
acre, so on a dry, 10-acre site, there could be 100 units. On a 6-acre site, there could be
about 60 units on the site. He said the density doesn't change, the minimum area
requirement does. Mrs. Jones asked how the 60 units could be built; Mr. Burke said they
would likely be built in a few buildings. Mrs. Levine asked if the units would be smaller. ")
Mr. Burke said that would be a design issue, but they would likely be built to meet
market demand. Mr. DeMassi asked about the open space requirement; Mr. Burke said
that would remain as currently required, and none of the other dimensional requirements
would change. Mr. Karl Clemmey said they would have 32-38 units on their site.
Mrs. Jones asked where the access would be; Mr. Clemmey said it would be West Street.
Mr. DeMassi noted this change would affect every six-acre parcel in R2 and B3. Mr.
Burke said one of the reasons for the 10 acre minimum was that the site had to be big
enough to get the density required for developers, and to prevent developers from
shoehorning multi-family developments into residential areas. Mr. Bill Clemmey noted
this would still be a special permit use.
Mr. French asked if the two lots, 11-28 and 29, were put together, there would be more
than 10 acres. Mr. Clemmey said they would not be.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said currently, they could develop the land as two residential clusters.
Bob Kilroy, 25 Walnut Street, said there are going to be apartments at Parente's farm,
and with this proposal, there would be more traffic and public safety issues.
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Board Comment
r- Mr. Jenkins asked if the acres required could be changed at Town Meeting; he said Mr.
Clemmey had indicated his proposal would be around 30 units, which is less than the
allowed density on six acres. Mr. Burke said changing the density for this proposal
would be beyond the scope of this public hearing and would require a new advertisement.
Mr. DeMassi said last year, when Mr. Clemmey was before the board with some zoning
amendments, the board had suggested he get together with the neighbors. He said a use
like a 55 and Over development might be a good transitional use between the retail and
residential. Mr. Karl Clemmey noted he has not sold any of his land to 40B developers
and he has no intention to do that. He said with a 40B, over 100 units could be built.
Mr. French asked if the neighbors thought this use would be a good use for that area.
Mrs. Jones said she though it could be, especially without an access on Walnut Street.
Kristen Riondo, 8 South Walnut Street, said she was concerned about another access
from West Street because of the existing curb cuts along that stretch. Mr. French said
that would have to be worked out.
Mike Riondo, 8 South Walnut Street, asked if this would settle the question of Mr.
Clemmey rezoning the land to 11.
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Mrs. Levine said there is an existing curb cut on West Street, which she said could be
used as an entrance. Mr. Karl Clemmey said he has a deal with Shaw's that when this
land is developed, the existing driveway would be used and expanded.
Mr. Armstrong said it may make sense to reduce the amount of land area required
because the town is getting less dense; he noted the state minimum is five acres. Mr.
Burke said the town made a conscious decision to make it 10 acres.
West Street Rezoning from R2 to II
Mr. Bill Clemmey explained they had discussed this change last year with the neighbors,
who were not in favor of it. He said their purpose in submitting the article was to get
everyone together to discuss the best use of the land. He said they have always
considered additional retail uses for this land.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said they have no way to say they are going to do the article or not do
the article. He said if the neighbors want houses they will get houses. He said he would
withdraw the article again, but he cannot sit on the land forever. He said it would make
more sense to build more retail than more houses. He said last year the Shaw's
development brought in more taxes than expected, as well as with jobs.
Public Comment
Mrs. Levine said the piece of property between Jones and Maccione is not described in
the article. She said that piece cannot be used to get to the industrial uses. Mr. Bill
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Clemmey said the description goes straight across that tail of land and does not include it;
it would remain residential. ')
Mike Riondo, 8 South Walnut Street, said he would be interested in an Over 55 use. He
said he is opposed to rezoning the land to industrial. Mr. DeMassi said it would be
possible for either, both or neither of these articles to be approved at Town Meeting.
Mrs. Jones said she has been opposed to rezoning that parcel to industrial for years. She
said to have additional reWl development on those parcels would bring it even closer to
the residential homes. She said the neighbors understand the land will be used, and said
she would rather see the Over 55 use than Industrial! uses.
Richard Gordon, 407 West Street, said this change would effect all R2 parcels, and while
lowering the acre requirement might be good for this site, but may not be good allover
town. Mrs. Jones asked how many parcels remain in town that would fit into this; Mr.
Burke said there are a number of R2 parcels where this could go. He said land uses
change over time, and as values go up, we see tear-downs. He said if that continues, it
would be possible for buildings to be torn down and parcels combined.
Mr. Jenkins said 55 and Over does not place a burden on the school system, and does not
place as much burden on public safety as an assisted living facility, while bringing in tax
revenues. He said the development will be market-driven.
Mrs. Levine said every neighborhood with an impending development has to remain -,
alert, and even with the possibility of 55 and Over for this parcel, it may not actually
happen because there could be other R2 allowed uses on that parcel. Mr. French said the
only thing this hearing is talking about changing is the lot size for a 55 and Over
development; the other R2 uses could be done there now.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said he could sell that property for a 40B development tomorrow and
there wouldn't be anything the neighborhood or the board could do about it.
Motion: To close the public hearing (Armstrong-DeMassi) All in favor. PASSES
Dr. Torman asked when the trees would be replaced at Erin's Centre; Mr. Burke said he
has met with the Home Depot representatives, who will be planting their trees soon
because they want a full certificate of occupancy. He said that leaves Shaw's and Staples
not in conformance. Mr. Dan Clemmey said the landscaper was under contract to Shaws;
the landscaping has failed. He said Shaw's has begun the process to recover that
landscaping and have started to replace the trees and curbing. He said there will be plans
submitted in the near future for the vacant pad.
Mr. DeMassi asked about the Village at the Pointe; Mr. Burke said they are planning to
complete the remaining items according to plan.
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Mr. DeMassi asked about George's Cleaners; Mr. Burke said since the variances were
r- denied, nothing new has been submitted.
Dr. Torman asked how many trucks were permitted at the Clemmey site on South Main
Street; Mr. Burke said the ZBA gave him a variance not to pave it, but said he didn't
remember the board assigning a number.
Motion: To adjourn at 10:00 p.m. (Torman-Armstrong) All in favor. PASSES
Next meeting: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 7:30 p.m.
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