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Planning Board Minutes
February 24, 2010
Present: Tom French, Chair; Beth Ashman-Collins, Clerk; Doug Annino, Michael
McClanahan, Tony Jodice, Don Cleary, Olivier Kozlowski
Shawn MacDonald and Timothy Verrochi, Alternates
Shaun P. Burke, Director of Planning and Development
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7:00 p.m. - Room 3 a/b: The Planning Board held a joint workshop with the Board
of Selectmen to discuss utility connection fees. See the February 24, 2010 Board of
Selectmen's meeting minutes.
1. Meeting called to order at 7:30 p.m.
2. Discussion with William Clemmey - Train Station Area Development
Mr. Clemmey presented an idea for development around the train station area,
particularly on the Foundry property. He said in the last six years, there have been a
number of studies done of the train station area, but no action has been taken. He said
there are a number of existing issues, such as traffic access, parking, pedestrian walkway
and handicapped access issues and connection with downtown. He said the area north of
the train station is Industrial 3, and the surrounding areas are high density residential and
business uses. He said he has spoken with several developers who have said nothing can
be done with the existing densities in the area; he said there would have to be a large
enough project to justify the necessary infrastructure improvements. He said he has been
in touch with developers who build large-scale, multi-family residential projects with
community centers, a use he said would encourage people who commute by train to live
in the area and use downtown businesses. He said he has researched a parking garage,
and said there is a lot of money available from the state and federal governments. He
said the developers think it is a great area, but is not feasible with the density allowed
under the current .25 FAR. He said the idea is to make some zoning changes to get
development going. He said the combination of apartments and a parking garage would
help the downtown and train station parking situations. He said the Foundry property
could be developed in conjunction with the Hathaway-Patterson redevelopment, which
has a problem with access. He said the Cecil Group's report on that area recommended
high density development and infrastructure improvements.
Mr. Clemmey said his idea is to start development in the area, which would bring in
revenue and encourage other landowners to develop their land. He said this area is ideal
for apartments and retail uses rather than uses like warehouses. He said the Hathaway-
Patterson land would be another good site for a higher density development.
He said revenue is necessary to do the infrastructure improvements, but high density
development can't be done because of the existing FAR. He said he would like to submit
an article for Annual Town Meeting, but wanted to talk with the board first. He showed
the board a photo of an apartment complex off Route 128 in Newton with a parking
garage and a recreation areas. He said the FAR is 2.35. He said there are similar projects
at the Braintree and Quincy T stations.
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Mr. Karl Clemmey said they have a track record in town, including the Village at Willow
Crossing and Erin's Centre. He said they would be the developer on the project, would
own it and would remain in town, rather than sell the project. He said he realizes
something will have to be done about the infrastructure, which he said they are willing to
pay for. He said he isn't looking at developing fast food or similar uses on this property.
He said the town is losing a lot of tax revenue with undeveloped and underdeveloped
land. He said he also owns a lot of land downtown, and a lot of the existing buildings
need to come down. Mr. Clemmey said he is paying more taxes on his retail
development than other retail developments, which is a problem for the town's revenue.
Mr. Bill Clemmey said a 1.0 FAR would work and be reasonable, although higher would
be better. He said with 1.0, there would still be a lot of open space. He said this might be
similar what has been done at the former Foxboro State Hospital site.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said the roadway will have to be widened to make this work.
Mr. Bill Clemmey said he doesn't think this would be primarily a retail center because
people getting off the train at the end of the day are focused on getting home. He said
services like coffee or dry cleaning would be good uses.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said they have worked with the MBT A on a parking garage, which
the town didn't support. He said he would have liked to do something similar to what
was done at Gillette Stadium. He suggested meeting with Mr. Burke and a few members
of the board. Mr. French said the board's agenda isn't very heavy, and he thinks the
members would be willing to discuss this further.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said he is willing to pay for the roadway improvements, but would
need the town's help with eminent domain takings. Mr. Annino said this would be a
substantial development and he is concerned about there being only one access. Mr. Bill
Clemmey said developing all the land as one large project would help the access issues.
Mr. Annino said CSX and the MBT A are very difficult agencies to deal with.
Mr. Annino said he would like to see a project like this have a Master Plan. He said this
would be a substantial development, and it shouldn't be rushed into without significant
research. Mr. Bill Clemmey said several developers have looked at the site and have
ideas. He said if one property is developed at a 1.0 FAR, and it works, then subsequent
properties might be developed at higher FAR. Mr. Annino said he doesn't know what the
right FAR number is, but said he thinks the area should be studied as a whole. Mr. Karl
Clemmey said he doesn't want to spend the money to put this project together without
some kind of guarantee from the town. He suggested there could be a timeframe set for
the project to be permitted and then for it to be done.
Mr. Bill Clemmey said he cannot provide proposals on properties they don't own, but
said he could come up with some scenarios for the whole area. Mr. Annino suggested a
Master Plan, including things like density and financial information. He said it would be
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hard for the board to support an FAR of 1.0 without any supporting information. Mr.
Burke asked to see proposed access ideas.
Mr. Kozlowski said the board is trying to encourage more foot traffic to downtown, so he
would like to be sure this project and the development of the nearby parcels wouldn't
isolate residents on that side of the train station. Mr. Bill Clemmey said that would be
where a Master Plan would come in; he said incorporating the train station into
downtown redevelopment is important.
Mr. French said he understands that nothing has be'en done in that area, but there are
significant problems with access and infrastructure. He said he is concerned about an
MBT A parking garage making those problems worse, but said he understands a project
like this having its own parking garage, which could reduce parking at the train station
lots. Mr. French said the board has to consider what density would be best for the town,
not just what would be profitable for the developer.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said just developing their one piece might not increase the traffic
issues because there are already cars going in and out of that property. Mr. Burke said
the increase in density to 1.0 FAR would certainly increase the number of trips per day
beyond what the parking lot creates. He said the access issues and paying for the
improvements are the hurdle, which is why the recommendations of several studies have
not been implemented. He said that has not been because of a lack of interest on the
town's part. He said the correct FAR might be 1.0, or it could be more than that, but the
access issues have to be addressed.
Mr. Karl Clemmey said he would like to submit an article for the warrant to rezone the
West Street/Route 140 properties. He said he has a "pharmaceutical" just about under
contract if the property, which is 2.8 acres, can be rezoned. He said he would keep a one-
lot buffer around the building. Mr. Annino said he opposes this idea because it is
infringing on the residential area. Mr. Bill Clemmey said it would be impossible to
rebuild and sell a house on that corner.
Mr. Cleary asked about the plans for the one-lot buffer. Mr. Bill Clemmey said they
would probably take down the house and leave the lot as the buffer. Mr. Cleary
suggested donating the land to the town for affordable housing.
Mr. Jodice said this rezoning might make sense, but said he was concerned about where
the rezoning proposals would stop.
Mr. Jodice asked about the infrastructure and access issues at the train station area. Mr.
Burke said he thinks those issues have to be resolved before any density changes are
made. He said a development like this must be looked at as a whole, with all the parcels
and landowners involved. Mr. Karl Clemmey said the town would have to do the
eminent domain takings for the infrastructure improvements, but he would pay for it, as
well as the road work.
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Mr. Bill Clemmey said he would like to come back in a few weeks to discuss this further,
Mr. Karl Clemmey said he isn't in favor of TIF deals. He said the town is losing a lot of
money because of them, especially with a few of the companies leaving town. He said
someone should be tracking the TIF deals.
I 3. Correspondence
1. February 3, 2010 minutes
Motion: To approve as submitted (Kozlowski-Cleary) All in favor. PASSES
2. February 11, 2010 letter from Jay Zola re: extension on Stanley Village special permit
(approved April 23, 2008). Mr. Burke explained the board has the ability to grant one
six-month extension; he recommended the board grant the extension.
Motion: To extend the commencement date on Stanley Village to October 24, 20 I 0
(McClanahan-Collins) All in favor. PASSES
3. Meeting Notices: Norton, Sharon
I 4. Form A (ANR) Plans
I 5. Public Comment
I 6. Around the Table
Mr. MacDonald asked about the downtown traffic study from SRPEDD. Mr. Burke said
he has spoken with SPREDD, and the study is a work in progress.
Mr. Jodice said he has gotten a lot of positive feedback about his idea for advertising
signs at the school fields. He said he plans to bring it up at next week's CIP meeting
when the School Department requests are discussed.
Mr. Cleary asked if retail is allowed in the 13 zone; Mr. Burke said it is allowed by right.
Mr. Cleary suggested that a change in FAR doesn't have to be the same in every zone.
Mr. Burke said the Annual Town Meeting warrant closes on March 1 and asked the board
what it wants to do about the downtown overlay district by-law draft. Mr. French
suggested submitting the draft and then amending it after a discussion. Mr. Burke said he
doesn't want to print the draft in the warrant, then have to amend it on the floor of Town
Meeting. Mr. French suggested putting the discussion on the March 10 agenda, and if
that meeting goes late, moving it to the March 24 meeting.
17. Adjournment
Motion: To adjourn at 9:45 p.m. (McClanahan- ) All in favor. PASSES
Next meeting: Wednesday, March 10,2010 at 7:30 p.m.
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Date of Approval
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