HomeMy WebLinkAboutmin of planning brd 2/25/1998PLANNING BOARD MINUTES -` 1
February 25, 1998 r " Fi: -.:? 19 r- I u: 6
Present: H. Thomas French, Jr., Chairman; Bernie Dolan; Marydee .Flynn;_ Scott A.
Frank; Thomas P. McShane and Kenneth H. Torman. Also pres'64 was, ShauniPI $urke,
Director of Planning and Development.
Meeting Called to Order at 7:30 p.m.
Motion: To nominate Marydee Flynn Acting Clerk for the evening.
(McShane - Torman) 5 -0 with Mr. Frank not present PASSES
Correspondence
Special Permit Decision for 155 East Street Residential Compound
Motion: To grant the Special Permit (Flynn - Dolan) 5 -0 with Mr. Frank
not present PASSES
Mrs. Flynn: in favor because the project is in harmony with the existing
neighborhood
Mr. Dolan: in favor because it meets all the Town's requirements
Mr. McShane: in favor because it's a reasonable use of the property and
the applicant has been amenable to providing buffering and
screening
Dr. Torman: in favor because it's the best use of the property and the
applicant has worked with the Board to be sure the project will
be done properly
Mr. French: in favor because it's the best use of the property in fitting
with the neighborhood and environment
Notice of meeting of SRPEDD to review ideas for improvements to the I- 495 /South
Main Street interchange - Members noted that South Main Street residents are
scheduled on the Board of Selectmen agenda tonight. The board discussed
sending a letter to the Selectmen with their recommendation and suggesting a
joint workshop to explore all alternatives.
Motion: To send such a letter to the Board of Selectmen
(Torman - Flynn) 5 -0 with Mr. Frank not present PASSES
Minutes of February 11, 1998
Motion: To approve (Dolan- Torman) 4 -0 -1 with Mr. Frank abstaining.
PASSES
Minutes of February 18, 1998
Mr. McShane noted on page 1 regarding his discussion with Mr. Montgomery that
Mr. Montgomery assured him they intend to "propose a buffering plan" and on
page 3 regarding discussion of transfer station, his comment should read, "..the
Weld administration has had a moratorium on trash facilities..." and "for the last
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eleven years" should be deleted.
( Motion: To approve the minutes as amended
(Flynn - Torman) 4 -0 -1 with Mr. Dolan abstaining and Mr. Frank not
present PASSES
x Letter from Bertram Cook re: zoning opinion on transfer station
Mr. McShane said he's trying to avoid a situation where the Building Inspector is
operating under one set of assumptions and the Planning Board is operating under
another and we don't find out until it's too late. He noted it's the Building
Inspector's decision, but asked if board members want to tell him they think it's "a
stretch." Mr. Dolan said he doesn't see that it's a stretch and Mrs. Flynn stated
she doesn't think the voters were thinking of a transfer station as a warehouse
when they voted at Town Meeting and that finding a use and then going to the
Zoning By -law to see what it fits under is ludicrous. Mr. McShane noted we have
dealt with the definition of warehouse before when Mr. Clemmey wanted to do a
project on Copeland Drive. Mr. Burke advised the board that it was a different
issue in that Mr. Clemmey wanted to do self - storage units, which Mr. Cook
considered to be "warehouse" and that is not an allowed use in the B -3 Zone.
x Public Hearing Notice - Norton Planning Board
x Public Hearing Notices (2) - North Attleboro Planning Board
x Mass Interchange newsletter
Yi[1 tge a# Mill o v Crass tgs (Cob b St rest }<Fubhc Hearrrtg
Mr. Chris Engley of Village Retirement Communities explained the concept of assisted
care and the three types of units -42 individual units for independent living, with the
remainder being for those requiring assisted care with services limited to medical care and
the 48 units for Alzheimer's.
Jim Dunn reviewed the site plans and details on how the site will be developed on a 20
acre parcel on the south side of Cobb Street, approximately 500 feet in from South Main
Street. He also showed the improvements to be made to Cobb Street. He reviewed the
subdivision of the parcel, showing the Back Bay Brook and how the roads would be put
through the project for traffic flow and emergency access.
Edward Lyons, landscape architect, reviewed the landscaping plan, showing the placement
of detention ponds located on either side of the stream to reinforce the landscaping and
make the stream appear as meandering. He pointed out the various flowering trees,
deciduous trees, and shrubs. He also noted they are retaining the wooded areas, adding
fencing and some double rows of plantings. Also noted were the street trees and plantings
around the two larger buildings, courtyard plantings, and groups of cluster plantings.
Mr. Dunn reviewed on -site drainage and utility improvements to be made on Cobb Street.
Mrs. Flynn read correspondence:
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* Letter of December 2, 1997 from Karl Clemmey authorizing Village Retirement
( Communities and /or Peter J. Sangermano Construction Company to file in his name
* Memo of January 6, 1998 from Lt. Joseph Sarro of the Fire Department requesting
that five conditions be met
* Memo of January 29, 1998 from Richard Lewis, Environmental & Conservation
Planner
* Memo of January 29, 1998 from Shaun Burke, Director of Planning and Development
* Memo of February 3, 1998 with Water Department recommendations
* Memo of January 29, 1998 from Lee Azinheira, Town Engineer
* Letter of response from Dunn - McKenzie, Inc., dated February 5, 1998
* Memo of February 24, 1998 from Lee Azinheira, Town Engineer
* Follow -up memo of February 25, 1998 from Lee Azinheira, Town Engineer
* Narrative response from Dunn- McKenzie dated February 17, 1998 to comments of
Department Heads
Mr. Dunn reviewed the changes made to address Department Head comments, noting that
all the changes were highlighted in yellow on the plan. He pointed out that irrigation wells
would be used for watering of the plantings and that the estimated water usage of 18,200
gallons per day is comparable to the 42 houses which could be put on the site. He noted
they are asking for a waiver for sidewalks on the south side of Cobb Street.
Charles Meszoely of 158 South Main Street asked how many employees there would be.
( Mr. Sangermano replied there would be 120 full- and part-time employees over three
shifts, with shift changes between 6 -7 a.m., 34 p.m. and 10 -11 p.m. The largest shift
would be 40 -45 employees. Dr. Meszoely also asked how many residents there would be
and was told there would be approximately 225 to 235.
Paul MacDonald of 170 South Main Street asked if there would be any mentally ill people
living there. Mr. Sangermano said there would be Alzheimer's patients with dementia, but
they are not categorized as mentally ill. He noted the average age of residents living in the
independent units is 75, with 83 years of age being the average in the assisted care units.
Mr. MacDonald asked questions about the Bay Brook and flooding and if the pipe going
beneath the brook would be in the water table. Mr. Dunn noted it would be done during
the summer when the water table is 8 -9 feet down. Mr. MacDonald asked if a traffic
study has been done at South Main and Cobb Streets. Mr. Dunn referenced the study
done by Beta Engineering. Mr. MacDonald also asked if there would be an exit on the
Connor side of the property and if there was any discussion about putting fencing in for
the 3 -4 abutters where the proposed fencing ends.
Thom Connor of 58 Pleasant Street, representing his father at 26 Aspen Street, asked if
the traffic study was done to include food and supply delivery, trash pickup and other
commercial vehicles. Mr. Sangermano said there were few deliveries, with Sysco once a
week and trash pickup twice a week, but they were included in the traffic study. Mr.
Connor also asked the height and type of fencing abutting his father's property and was
told it would be 6 foot cedar stockade. He asked if there would be audible warning alarms
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( and was told there would only be warning buzzers on the doors which would not be
audible outside the building. He asked about the peak height of the tallest building. There
will be one two -story building 35 feet high. He also asked if lighting would be shining
onto abutting properties. Mr. Dunn reviewed the lighting, showing decorative lighting on
the street and roads, with the remaining lighting to meet fire codes for emergency exits.
He said there would be lights on the front of the buildings, but no lights would be directed
onto abutting properties. He then asked the average cost per month to reside at the
facility. Mr. Sangermano noted it depends on the level of service required -41,500 per
month to $3,000 per month which he stated is in line with existing facilities throughout the
area.
Mr. MacDonald asked if there will be a limit on visiting hours and was told the front doors
are locked at 7:30 p.m., but family members can still visit anytime, just like they would at
a person's home. He asked about noise and hours of operating during construction and
was told they would be working Monday through Friday, with some Saturday work. The
timeframe established projects that the first phase would be done by fall, with completion
in 6 -7 months. All heavy work is scheduled to be done during the first phase, and the
typical work hours would be 7 -7:30 a.m. start, with quitting time 3:30 -4:00 p.m. this time
of year, 5:00 -6:00 p.m. during the summer. He asked if trucks entering and leaving would
interfere with traffic flow on South Main Street and was told they will have flaggers
during the heavy construction phase. Mr. French also noted the Planning Board has some
ability to set reasonable hours of operation. Mr. MacDonald asked how medical waste
( would be handled and was told they are not a medical facility and there is very little
medical waste. They are regulated by the Department of Health and have a small waste
disposal box, approximately 2 feet square.
Mr. Frank asked if all the buildings would be going on -line at the same time and was told
the large building and independent units would be constructed during Phase 1, and the
Alzheimer's units in Phase 2. He asked about the fire access road in the back of the
property and was told it was done at the request of the Fire Department and they were
asked that it be constructed of material able to support the weight of the trucks. He asked
about the width of the driveways at the independent living units and was told they are 12
feet to allow for visitor parking at the units.
Mr. McShane asked if the traffic study shows changes in the level of service on Cobb
Street. Mr. Dunn noted there are only four homes on Cobb Street, so it is difficult to
study a before and after situation. Mr. McShane also asked what waivers were being
requested. Mr. Dunn said they are listed on page 1. He asked if Road 1 is considered a
dead -end street and was told it is a private way. Landscaping and buffering were
questioned, and Mr. Lyons pointed out they are shown on set 3 -L. Mr. McShane also
asked about access to the proposed bike path. Mr. Dunn explained that access is blocked
now at the end of Cobb Street at Mr. Clemmey's request due to safety concerns. If the
bike path is developed, Mr. Clemmey says he will deed access to the Town from the
t deadend at the end of the cul -de -sac. Mr. McShane asked what alternatives to dry basins
have been considered and discussion followed. He also asked what type of sidewalks
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were being constructed and was advised they would be concrete with monolithic curbing
Mrs. Flynn noted that she is concerned about drainage and hopes the proposed drainage
works. Mr. Dunn reviewed work that was done on the Bay Brook by the Corps of
Engineers and discussion continued regarding drainage issues. Mrs. Flynn also asked
about the elevation of the buildings. Mr. Dunn noted that each building is picked up about
a foot in the rear to encourage drainage into the center of the property, noting that run -off
after development cannot be greater than before. Mrs. Flynn also expressed concern
about lighting, stating she would like the lights to be positioned in such a way that
residents can stand in the courtyard at night and look up and be able to see the stars. She
asked if units would be sold prior to construction and what will happen if the units cannot
be filled. Mr. Sangermano responded that units are being rented, and cannot be rented
until they're ready for occupancy. He does not anticipate filling the units will be a
problem and they cannot be turned into apartments. She asked about the waiver for the
length of the cul -de -sac street and was told it would be 1,075 feet from South Main
Street. She also questioned why the grass strip at the sidewalk was being eliminated and
was told the waiver was being requested based on concerns of neighbors due to their
homes' proximity to the roadway.
Mr. Clemmey spoke about access to the proposed bike path, noting there were other
points of access, and noted his safety concerns with access from Cobb Street.
Discussion continued regarding lighting and the types of lights to be used at various
locations. Mr. French expressed concern about the slopes on the road profiles, fearing
that puddles and icing would be a problem. Mr. Sangermano noted they are private roads
and there is on -site maintenance at the facility around the clock. Mr. French also asked if
they have done an erosion control plan. Mr. Dunn replied that it is in the filing of the
Notice of Intent, along with an operation and maintenance plan.
Mr. MacDonald further asked how drainage gets taken care of during construction and if
the fence crosses the brook at the Connor side of the property. He questioned child safety
issues in crossing the street during construction and expressed concern that traffic would
be backing up on Cobb Street with vehicles trying to get out onto South Main Street. He
also asked again if there would be mentally ill people or child molesters living there and
was told that anyone over the age of 55 who has the means to live there will be allowed to
live at the property, just as they would be anywhere else in town.
Dr. Torman questioned the estimated water usage and what the figures were based on.
Mr. Sangermano said their figures came from actual meter readings at their other
property.
Board members summarized items for follow -up, which included the following:
* Would like traffic engineers to provide "before and after" level of service on Cobb
Street
* Deeded access to bike path from Cobb Street
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• Easement for sewer lines traveling on Cobb Street
• Parking lot lighting and other lighting within the park to be shielded and directed
downward so that people can look up at the sky at night and see the stars
• Information on groundwater depth in spring and how deep the water will be
• Minimum slopes on roadways; concerns with puddles and icing conditions
• Report from Lance Lawson, Police Safety Officer, regarding South Main Street and
Cobb Street intersection and traffic and location of nearest bus stop
* Cut or information regarding on -site lighting fixtures
* Photometrics of site lighting
* Erosion control plan
* Sequence of construction information
* Outline of plan of construction operations; construction mitigation plan
* Draft of language regarding deeded access to bike path
* Alternate drainage proposal
* Chart on level of service change from traffic engineer
* Reconsideration by Town Engineer regarding issue of slopes of roads, catchbasins,
depth of groundwater at basins, and if groundwater comes up into them in spring; do
calculations as presently reflected and what design intention is
* Opinion from Town Engineer on feasibility of wet basins vs. dry
* Possible problem with waiver for one sidewalk on Cobb Street
Motion: To continue the Public Hearing to March 11, 1998 at 8:15 p.m.
(Flynn - Frank) 6 -0 PASSES
Mrs. Flynn said she would like to see changes to the lighting regulations so we can all see
more of the stars.
Mr. Dolan reported that funding for the bike path will probably be a CIP
recommendation this year.
Motion: To adjourn at 11:1Op. m.
(Frank - Torman) 6 -0 PASSES
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ignature of Clerk Date of Approval
Minutes of February 25, 1998