HomeMy WebLinkAboutBOS/MBC SPECIAL MINUTES 10-30-1997BOARD OF SELECTMEN/
MUNICIPAL BUILDING COMMITTEE
SPECIAL JOINT SESSION
MINUTES
OCTOBER 30,1997 (7:00 PM)
MEMBERS PRESENT:
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Board of Selectmen: Chairman Madan, Clerk Royle, Members Malian, Robinson and
Colella.
Municipal Building Committee: Chairman Liddick, Members Antoine, Feeley, Young and Moore.
Guests: Robert Mangiaratti, Town Counsel, Rick Foster, Sun Chronicle
OBJECTIVE OF MEETING: (As stated by Municipal Building Committee Chairman Liddick)
Chairman Liddick discussed the need to address the negative comments heard "around town, through
news, word of mouth, in reference to Municipal Building Committee members. Chairman Liddick feels
Municipal Building Committee can provide a huge benefit to the town of Mansfield as a volunteer
committee, but members were prepared to resign from the committee should certain issues not be resolved
and a difficult work atmosphere not be alleviated. Chairman Liddick stated he wanted to see more
teamwork between the Municipal Building Committee and the Board of Selectmen. Chairman Madan
commented that both committees shared the same goals.
PROBLEMS WITH THE ARCHITECT (DISCUSSION)
Discussion over the phone call placed to the Mansfield Police Department by Municipal Building
Committee's secretary so as to barr DPW from the Mansfield Police Department construction site.
Municipal Building Committee Chairman Liddick comments he was unaware of the DPW situation until
Tuesday, October 28, 1997. On that day, lie received first knowledge of problems with DPW and the
General Contractor. As he understood, per Acting Town Manager, Richard Boucher, DPW was to come
in and pave the parking lot. Municipal Building Committee member Feeley added calls were received
that DPW was to take over the site. He further added that the concept of DPW on the site was fine, but
the methodology instilled was bad. Municipal Building Committee would have liked the opportunity to
coordinate the situation. As a result, the General Contractor became very upset. Chairman Madan
commented it was voted on the meeting of Tuesday night, October 28, 1997, that the grinder was ordered
for paving to commence. It was his understanding Municipal Building Committee told General
Contractor not to let DPW on the site. Member Young questioned Chairman Madan as to what
communication came to Municipal Building Committee. Chairman Madan replied it came through the
Acting Town Manager, Richard Boucher. Member Rich Feeley commented that no notice was given to the
Municipal Building Committee. Chairman Madan stated notice was given after the meeting of October
28, 1997. Chairman Liddick stated there was no coordination with Municipal Building Cormuittee before
Selectmen's meeting.
Member Dave Young stressed the need to establish better communication between the committees. Clerk,
Dianne Royle, agreed it was one of the problems present. Clerk Royle went further on to state she did not
see the messages getting from the Board of Selectmen to Municipal Building Committee. Chairman
Liddick and Member Antoine agreed, in unison, that there was a lack of urgency in relaying messages.
Clerk Royle asked the question of who called Clean Harbors in reference to hazardous material. Member
Feeley and Chairman Liddick both stated that information was unknown to them. Clerk Royle continued
on to state Clean Harbors cost the town of Mansfield $12,000 and afterward, the Town had to lure Penney
Engineering at further cost. Chairman Liddick restated that if messages were properly conveyed, there
would be no problems. Chairman Madan reinforced lack of communication. Member Bill Antoine agreed
with Chairman Liddick and Chairman Madan. Chairman Liddick stated all this discussion is hindsight,
and they should deal with the present issues.
Member Feeley asked status of the BBC trailer. Chairman Madan stated nothing would occur. Member
Feeley commented BBC is willing to do the work but will not take responsibility for damages. Chairman
Madan stated Dan Clifford agreed DPW would pay for damages. Chairman Liddick stated frustration
because they can't close the Town Hall out. It is his goal to close out this building without involving Bob
Mangiaratti. However, due to things falling apart, there was no alternative but to involve Town Counsel.
Chairman Madan agreed with the frustration. He commented on how the Board of Selectmen is also
frustrated. For example, the Town Hall landscaping. The Board of Selectmen felt something had to be
done. Chairman Liddick agreed with Chairman Madan and added that attempts to involve contractor went
unattended. Selectman Mahana interjected that Leslie Pasch at the Mansfield Public Library was told by
Municipal Building Committee to "fix the leaks at the Library as they occur". Member Young amended
that the memo stated they felt it more economical to fix the leaks rather than go through litigation.
Selectman Mahana commented we are fortunate to have DPW and Can Clifford and that it is important to
replace and not patch the roof at the Library. Member Feeley stated to Selectman Mahana that the MBC
had nothing to do with the library job. It was taken out of the Municipal Building Committee's hands.
He further commented that he was unsure it was the Municipal Building Committee's job to repair the
building. Selectman Mahana stated the Board of Selectman wanted no involvement with the Municipal
Building Committee or any other committees. Selectman Mahana mentioned one of the questions posed
to the Town Manager Candidates was what they would do to improve the town. One of the responses
received was they would bring a lawn mower down to the Town Hall and mow the grass and trim the
shrubs. Then, Selectman Mahana commented on the town hall site and who was allowed to walk the site
during construction. Selectman Mahana stated he was insulted the Board of Selectmen needed clearance
to walk the site yet the Municipal Building conunittee's secretary was allowed on the site. Member Young
clarified that the secretary was allowed on the site so she may deliver materials to the Clerk of the Works.
He also apologized if anyone was offended. Cominented it was a principle of issue and that it was for
insurance purposes everyone was not invited to walk the site. Selectman Mahana maintained that was not
the way the memo was interpreted and went on to state he would like to see the jobs done in the most
efficient manner such as the front steps and the leaky roof etc. Selectman Mahana continued on to say
these problems have now become the responsibility of the Board of Selectmen when it should be the
responsibility of the Municipal Building Committee. Member Young responded that his committee was
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trying to get Roger Hoyt to respond and keep Town Counsel out of it due to costs. Selectman Mahana
continued that there are other issues like missing lights throughout the Town Hall, Member Young
contended there were 21 fixtures replaced last week. Selectman Mahana implied the Municipal Building
Committee is handling too many jobs at once. Clerk Royle agreed with Selectman Mahana in that the
Town has given the Municipal Building Committee too many jobs. In response, Member Feeley stated his
board was still dealing with the Town Hall, Jordan Jackson etc. He commented his committee was
discussing current as well as past issues. Restated no job has gone forgotten.
DISCUSSION IN REFERENCE TO OVERBUDGET ISSUES
Chairmen Madan and Liddick discussed the issue of going overbudget. Chairman Liddick stated
overbudget amount was built into contract budget and that subsurface conditions are expensive.
Selectman Mahana stated it appeared it would be more expensive to redo the job rather than get it done
right the first time. Member Antoine stated there was knowledge 2 years ago that the budget would go
over. Chairman Madan commented the first word of potential overbudget came 2 months ago. He asked if
there would be a presentation at Town Meeting. Chairman Liddick stated there would be a presentation.
Clerk Royle commented it irked her the Municipal Building Committee took $100,000 from the Town
Hall project to give to the Police Dept project. If the $100,000 was left in the Town Hall budget, the
money would be available for necessary repairs. Chairman Liddick stated Clerk Royle's continents upset
him as the decision to take $100,000 was made with no reason to think there would not be enough money.
Things just snowballed from there. Clerk Royle commented it was frustrating to DPW that repairs were
corning out of the DPW budget. Chairman Madan added the question of where the money would come
from for the DPW's overbudget expenses. DPW has yet to see a dime of that money. Member Young
stated the fees were being considered. Clerk Royle continued that the relations between DPW and the
Municipal Building Committee has fallen apart due to money owed DPW with no reimbursement.
Chairman Liddick added that it is his perception that DPW works equally as hard to "shoot" his
committee for their projects. Member Feeley added that in reference to a memo about electric usage at the
Mansfield Police Department, DPW is trying to get the Municipal Building Conunittee to pay for what
DPW should. Chairman Madan commented radios cost approximately $4.00 per month to operate.
Chairman Liddick stated Dan Clifford put in a meter to register usage that was used by the MBC and
DPW. Selectman Robinson stated we should be able to get the actual figure against the bill and determine
who pays what. The question arises as to whether or not the contractor has been paid in full for services
not rendered in full. There was discussion of funds for drainage due to architect's lack of foresight. Bob
Mangiaratti suggested the Board of Selectmen and Municipal Building Committee look at the contract,
talk to experts in the field and then make a decision. Member Feeley stated that, for the record, his
committee was not thrilled with Mr. Hoyt. Bob Mangiaratti commented it is our responsibility to
continue to push the issues and that even though Mr. Hoyt is slow to respond, the fact is he is responding.
At sonic point we may have to think about litigation but that time is not now, in his opinion. Chairman
Liddick stated he will gather information and notes the problem has been presented to Mr. Hoyt with
some degree of finger pointing. It is now up to Mr. Hoyt to prove it is not his responsibility. After that
point, we can make a resolution. Chairman Madan asks Town Counsel if it would be in our best interests
to install drainage, to which Town Counsel responded lie did not see a problem and recommended the
Acting Town Manager get right on it. Town Counsel then stated to the Municipal Building Committee
not to let things slip through the cracks on the drainage issue. Suggested to WC that if things do not go
accordingly, contact the Board of Selectmen. Chairman Liddick stated he would follow up with
information from Roger Hoyt. He would advise Hoyt that information will be furnished to MBC or else
necessary measures will be taken.
DISCUSSION ON AIR CONDITIONING UNIT AT TOWN HALL
Chairman Liddick stated he received the official report from the acoustical engineer. Now we need to
discuss how to proceed and get the fees to fix the unit. Chairman Madan questions why we were
responsible to pay for repairs. Town Counsel stated the need for expert testimony as it could be a design
fault. If designer were liable, the Town would have a claim. Town Counsel also stated it would be
prudent to bring to the attention of the Board of Health and see what is said from that point. Suggested
we do what can be done to get air conditioner going by July and seek recoupment of fees if necessary.
Selectman Mahana asks Town Counsel if it is advantageous for Board of Selectmen, Board of Health,
Municipal Building Committee and Acting Town Manager to sit down and discuss the air conditioner
situation. Town Counsel's response is yes. Chairman Liddick stated the Municipal Building Committee
will forward a package to Town Counsel and Acting Town Manager in reference to the cost estimate and
packet of jobs.
ADJOURN
The members of the Municipal Building Committee agreed all specific issues were touched upon and they
would leave this meeting knowing the Board of Selectmen respected the Municipal Building Committee
and is willing to work with the Municipal Building Committee.
MOTION
To adjourn meeting: Unanimous
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