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HomeMy WebLinkAboutmin of planning brd 11/17/04 I. ,,-- VEl'! L,"~", ...; Planning Board Minutes .,_ ' ..) OFF ICE November 17, 2004 CJ rE8 - 3 Pi Present: Tom French, Chairman; Fred Armstrong, Clerk; Walter Jenkins, KenTdidim, 'i!J,:" John DeMassi, Douglas Annino, Frank: Holmes M.!. ~:t'.;1.ll' it I 0" I ,~,.) S ,A, CH' u/-- ';:. '. St TTS 11. MeetQlacalled to ,rder at 7:08 p.... I 2. Correspoltdelaee 1. Memo from Mike Ahem re: Surety Amount for the completion of Cobb Street Mr. Burke explained the surety is for the construction of about 500 feet of roadway. Motion: To set the surety amount at $228,489.00 (Armstrong-Holmes) All in favor. PASSES 2. Special Permit - 296 North Main Street Motion: To sign the special permit (DeMassi-Armstrong) Five in favor. Jenkins abstained. PASSES 3. November 3,2004 minutes Motion: To approve as submitted (Torman-Armstrong) Five in favor. Jenkins abstained. PASSES [Mr. Annino arrived at this time] ,,-- Mr. Burke introduced Keith Bloomer, Pare Associates, who will be conducting a peer review of the applicant's traffic study for the board. Mr. Bloomer will be reviewing the applicant's traffic study and will attend the traffic-related meetings to observe, then will make recommendations to the board. Lou Masiello, WS Development, noted there have been revisions made to the plans to address some of the site layout issues raised at previous meetings. He asked to present those changes, including cross sections. Craig Lizotte, Civil Engineer with ESS Group, explained the redesign of the layout. He said there had been concerns about the back of buildings facing School Street, so they have redesigned that portion of the site. The buildings have been reoriented so their fronts and sides will be visible from School Street. The loading areas have been relocated and screened so they won't be visible from School Street, and now back up to Route 495. He explained cross section BB cuts through the site and shows the changes in elevation across the site; the top of 495 and the tops of the buildings will be at a similar elevation. The number of parking spaces has been increased by 192 without adding paved area; the new ratio is 5.08 spaces per 1,000 square feet. A variance will still be required. .--- Traffic Discussion Mr. Ron Muller, Greenman-Pedersen, said his firm performed the traffic study. He said in response to the draft Environmental Impact Report, the town had asked the applicant to investigate direct access to the site from Route 140. He said Routes 495 and 140 are no- ,,-- access highways, which leaves the site with only one access from School Street, so the traffic study was done based on that. After the town's requests for Route 140 access, the applicant has met with MassHighway and presented a number of alternatives. He said there are four feasible alternatives with varying degrees of impacts to wetland areas. He said the 495 Exit 11 is a half-diamond interchange, so one ofthe alternatives is for a U- Turn on Route 140, which would minimize traffic on neighborhood streets. Mr. Muller said Mass Highway has indicated it is open to the ideas, but will have to review the alternatives and said it would provide feedback within two weeks. Mr. Muller said ifaccess is allowed onto Route 140, that would improve the School Street access; however, he said they would still need School Street access. He said his presentation would assume School Street is the only access. Mr. Muller said there are three components to a traffic study: identifying existing conditions, future conditions and mitigation to allow traffic to remain at no-build conditions. They have established a study area of 18 locations with the Police, Fire, Planning and Engineering Departments, as well as with MEP A and MassHighway. They have collected traffic counts at all locations with accident histories, sight distance measurements, and other current conditions. He said the traffic conditions will change drastically when the School Street bridge is opened, but noted that he used the numbers in the traffic study done for Erin's Centre, when the bridge was open. ,- Mr. Muller said he used traffic growth rates for the area, which he said is about 2% per year, along with traffic projections for specific developments, to come up with a projection for the future. He then add the estimated traffic generated by this new development to that projection. He said the more time-consuming part is estimating where the traffic will come from and where it will go to, using things like surrounding populations and other similar retail developments. He said 55% of the traffic will come from Route 495, 100.10 will use School Street, 25% will use Route 140. Mr. Muller said capacity analyses are done for each intersection to determine the project's primary impacts, then mitigation options are determined. Mr. DeMassi asked if this was done using the old layout or the new one; Mr. Masiello said it was done using the old layout. Mr. Muller said the traffic study used the location of the existing gravel driveway, which has been moved in the new layout. He said they would have to do sight distance measurements for that location, and he expects to have to do brush cutting there. --- Mr. Muller presented the proposed School Street improvement plan. He said they will be required by MEP A to bring the traffic levels at all the impacted intersections to pre- development levels. He said to achieve that, School Street between Route 140 and the site driveway will have to be widened. The driveway has been located far enough away from Route 140 to allow queuing. There will be a double left-turn lane going into the site from School Street and a double left-turn lane leaving the site going onto 140 North. He said this would have the minimum wetland impact on the site. The median of Route 140 will be widened for the double left-turn lanes along School Street up to the site driveway, then School Street will revert back to one lane past the site driveway. There will be two ,,-- approach lanes leaving the site on School Street going back to Route 140 North. Mr. Muller said the intersection will be signalized. Mr. Muller said there will be a double right-turn lane leaving the site to get to Route 140 South. He said if they are allowed access to the site from Route 140, that plan may change to eliminate the double turn lanes on School Street. He said this design would allow traffic to enter and exit the site without impacting existing traffic conditions at the surrounding intersections. Mr. Annino asked for dimensions of existing and proposed School Street conditions. Mr. Muller said School Street is currently about 30 feet wide and they are proposing five 12- foot lanes, for a total of about 64 feet. Mr. Jenkins asked about land takings; Mr. Muller said there will be takings from this site only, not from any other properties. He said the curb line along the northern side of School Street will not be changed. Mr. Jenkins asked how residents would be able to travel east and west along School Street. Mr. Muller said the residential driveways at the new signalized intersection will have signals timed for their use. He said there will be no median, so the driveways will be accessible from all directions. Mr. Masiello noted two of those properties are part of this proposal. ,--- Mr. Muller said they have met with the Fire Chief: who was concerned about east-west access for the Fire Department. The applicant has agreed to install an Opticon system at two locations to allow the emergency vehicles to override the intersection signal lights as necessary. He said the applicant has agreed to install the necessary equipment on each of the town's emergency vehicles. Mr. Muller said the Fire Department was concerned about the Plymouth/School Street intersection after the School Street bridge reopens. He said the applicant has agreed to install a flashing sign that can be triggered by the Fire Department when necessary. Mr. Muller said they have gone through each intersection with the Police Department and identified several where they have committed to making improvements, including Plymouth Street. He said they have also agreed to restripe the Old Elm Street intersection. Mr. Muller said the Police Department is concerned about the SchooVSpring Street intersection, where traffic turning off School onto Spring Street travels very quickly. Mr. Muller said the applicant has agreed to tighten that radius in an effort to slow traffic. He said there is a small raised island at that intersection, but there is enough room for two lanes to form, which creates a sight distance problem. They have agreed to enlarge the island. Mr. Muller said the Chancy Street/Route 140 intersection is currently experiencing problems, so they have proposed another phase to the signal to allow westbound Chauncy ~ Street traffic to clear out before the eastbound traffic moves. He said that would make --- the intersection work better than existing conditions. Mr. Muller said they have worked with the Police Department on the other intersections in the traffic study, and found there are no other intersections that will require mitigation. Board Comment Dr. Torman asked about the School/Route 140 intersection. Mr. Muller said they are proposing two lanes before the intersection, through the intersection to the site driveway, where there will be two left-turn lanes and one through lane continuing on School Street. He said there will be a total of six lanes at the School StreetJRoute 140 intersection, two going west and four going east. He said at that point, School Street would be about 75 feet wide. Dr. Torman asked why the intersection of Route 140 and Route 95 wasn't studied. Mr. Muller said MassHighway didn't ask them to study that intersection and said he thought traffic traveling on Route 95 would likely get on Route 495 to get to this site. Dr. Torman asked about the traffic growth projections; Mr. Muller said the projection fluctuates, but is historically around 2% for this area. He said they actually found a growth of 1.1 %, but used 2% to be conservative. ~ Dr. Torman noted the area where the second driveway is now proposed is very wet. Mr. Muller said there are a lot of wetlands in that area, but the driveways are proposed on either side of the wetland areas. Dr. Torman asked about ifthe square footage of the buildings would increase with the new layout. Mr. Masiello said the square footage would actually decrease by about 4,000 square feet. He said there are no individual stores that are much bigger than the originally proposed stores. Dr. Torman said there is a major problem on Route 106 coming into Mansfield and said there would likely be some traffic to this site from the Easton area, which will increase the traffic problem at Route 106 and North Main Street. Mr. Muller said there would be some traffic increase at that area but it was decided that volume would not be great enough to warrant a study. He said Mass Highway has plans to improve the Copeland/Chauncy intersection, and the Erin's Centre project will be providing some improvements at that intersection, so it didn't make sense to do another study for a project that will have little impact. Mr. Masiello said the amount of traffic generated by the new project would decrease at each intersection traveling away from the site. Dr. Torman asked if would be possible to see those numbers; Mr. Masiello said that is part of the MEP A study. ~ Mr. Holmes asked how the percentages were arrived at and whether other centers in the area were studied. Mr. Muller said he used a combination of population densities, other centers and travel routes to the site. ,,-- Mr. Holmes asked what the levels of service are now at the major intersections. Mr. Muller explained School Street is currently at a level C-D and will remain at that level; he said the delay from this project will be increased by three seconds at a peak weekday hour, between 4-6 pm. He said Norfolk Street is currently an A-B level and will remain at that level. West Street is a B level and will remain. Chauncy Street is a D-E level and will be stay at that level, but the delay values will be improved. Forbes Boulevard is at an E-F level of service during peak weekday hours and a B level during weekends. He said this site wouldn't add any traffic to that intersection, but he has recommended adding a double turning lane going north onto Route 140. Fisher Street is an A-B level of service and will remain. The SchooI/Spring Street left turn is an F level of service and will increase slightly, but improvements are proposed. Spring/Willow Street is at a B level with or without the project. SchooI/Plymouth Street is at an F level of service with or without the project. Mr. Holmes asked if the turning movements are the same leaving and entering the site; Mr. Muller said they are. Mr. Holmes said the intersections currently at F levels could get worse without improvements. Mr. Muller said the model doesn't take into account that there is a traffic signal nearby, such as the SchooI/Spring Street intersection, which is very close to the Route 140/School Street intersection. He said they would be willing to consider installing traffic lights at intersections at F levels of service if the delay becomes severe. However, he said certain minimums would have to be reached before that could be done. ,- Mr. DeMassi asked how the intersections to be studied were determined; Mr. Muller said they met with town stan: MEP A and MassHighway. He said this study is the result of intersections having been added above and beyond what the state required. ' Mr. DeMassi said if there are intersections failing now, a project of this size should be required improve those situations. He said he would want to see more improvements in the intersections that are currently sub-standard. Mr. DeMassi said there is a large portion of Mansfield who use Route 106 and will be impacted significantly by this project, and the impact on those residents would have to be examined. Mr. DeMassi said he would like to see the details about 55% of the traffic coming south on 140 and making a left into the site rather than coming north on Route 140 or east from East Mansfield or Easton. Mr. Muller said the model showed drivers would be more likely to use the highway than surface roads. Mr. DeMassi asked if the study takes into account weather situations or the train station; he said the train station is always much busier during bad weather. Mr. Muller said the study doesn't take into account weather factors. He noted they have contacted Mass Rides and GATRA about providing some public transportation to this site. ,-- ,,-- Mr. DeMassi said when drivers come off Route 495 South onto Route 140, there isn't a lot of area to move into the left lane to turn left onto School Street. Mr. Muller said they have calculated the backup approaching School Street and there is almost half a mile between the ramp and the School Street light. He said direct access from Route 140 would cut that distance in halt: but would still allow enough time to make the left turn movement. Mr. DeMassi asked who would maintain the Opticon system; Mr. Muller said the state would maintain the Route 140 system and the town would maintain the local roadways and the systems on the emergency vehicles. Mr. DeMassi asked for cost estimates on those systems. Mr. Muller said the system is intended only for use by fIre trucks and ambulances, not police cars. Mr. Annino asked about other traffic studies Greenman-Pedersen has done in surrounding communities. He said North Attleboro and Plainville have major traffic problems because of their large retail developments. Mr. Muller said he is very concerned the traffic will work and he wouldn't tell the board it will ifhe didn't believe it. He said he designed an 875,000 square foot shopping center in Plymouth and the traffic works there. ,,-- Mr. Annino asked about queuing times during holiday peak times. Mr. Muller said retail traffic peaks during the Christmas holiday season and there will be significant traffic to this site. He said that isn't a condition they design for because it only happens a few weeks a year, but said he is confident they can handle the large amounts oftraffic. Mr. Muller said under the worst-case scenario, on Route 140 going northbound, the maximum backup would be 220 feet or about nine cars and about the same on the through lanes. On School Street eastbound, the backup would be 140 feet or about six cars in the left turn lanes and 435 feet or 16 cars on the through lane. West bound on School Street, the backup would be 244 feet or 10 cars and 345 on the through lanes. He said that is a C-D level of service. Mr. DeMassi asked if that would put cars past the Spring/School Street intersection; Mr. Muller said it would not. Regarding queuing inside the site for exiting traffic, Mr. Muller said the eastbound backup would be 196 feet or 8 cars and westbound, the backup for cars going left would be 181 feet or 7 cars; the through lane back up would be 336 feet or 13 cars. He said those numbers are maximum. Mr Annino asked about town utilities; Mr. Muller said the utility poles are along the northern side of the street. He said any relocation will be done within the right-of-way. Mr. Annino asked if lighting would be improved in that area, saying the roadway widening should include additional lighting for safety. Mr. Annino asked about drainage; Mr. Masiello said that will be incorporated with the site drainage. Drainage will be collected with new drainage structures in School Street and will flow into the site's drainage system and treated, and the new sewer main will be installed during the road upgrades. They have had discussions with the town about ,--. installing fiber optic conduits, which will be installed in the new School Street right-of- --- way, as well as a new gas line. Mr. Annino asked how the School Street widening can be improved; Mr. Muller said there could be a raised median to break up the asphalt, but that would increase the overall width of the pavement. Mr. Annino said the widening will significantly change the character of School Street and suggested the applicant arrive at options for enhancement so the board can see it as a benefit. Mr. Annino asked how, once the commercial land across the street is developed, the board will deal with access. Mr. Burke said retail development in that zone is by special permit, but access to someone's property cannot be denied and the possibility exists to have multiple curb cuts across the street from this site. Mr. Burke said the worst impact on Route 1 in North Attleboro was not from the Emerald Square Mall, but from the development of surrounding properties. Mr. Annino asked about pedestrian access on School Street. Mr. Muller said there are no existing sidewalks and they have not proposed any, but said if that is something the board wants, they would be willing to consider it along the north side of the road. Mr. Masiello said if they were to install a sidewalk, there would be nothing with which to connect it. Mr. Burke said some provision would have to be made for pedestrians and bicycles. Mr. Armstrong said the proposed width of School Street underscores the need for access ~ offofRoute 140. He said if that were possible, at least one of the left turn lanes could be eliminated. Mr. Muller said that was possible, depending on the type of access. Mr. Armstrong said the new building proposed by the pond does not have a lot of parking. Mr. Masiello said they had done an analysis about pedestrians walking among the various stores and through the parking areas. He said with the new layout, people would have to cross the roadway, but they have designed a sidewalk for access. Mr. Armstrong said the drive would now go behind the newly designed building; Mr. Masiello said they had struggled with that issue and chose to install a solid masonry screen wall along the back of the building. He said the loading bay would be behind that wall, but that is on the side closest to the pond. He said all the loading areas are obstructed from view by the buildings themselves. Mr. Armstrong said that new building would block the view of the pond; Mr. Masiello said that is true, so that building would have to be very well designed. r- Mr. Jenkins asked about the total number of parking spaces on the site; Mr. Masiello said there are 2,158. Mr. Jenkins said with 400 spaces in front of the new building, that is close to 20% of the total spaces. He said because of that configuration, those people may use the secondary access roadway to leave the site. Mr. Masiello said the traffic study about how School Street operates doesn't account for that driveway. He said he thought that second driveway would help, but said if the board was uncomfortable with it, it could be eliminated or signage could be added. Mr. Jenkins said it would be helpful for ,,-- entering the site, but was concerned about traffic using it to leave the site. Mr. Muller said the traffic study assumed all the traffic using the main driveway to leave the site. Mr. Jenkins said he was concerned about the mix oftenants having an enormous impact on what areas shoppers would come from He said he thought a lot of people would come from Norton, so there should be more attention paid to the Richardson Avenue intersection. Mr. Jenkins said he was surprised the Tweeter Center hadn't been mentioned during the traffic discussion, especially the Route 140 southbound approach during the afternoon peak hours. Mr. Jenkins asked about the West/School Street/Copeland Drive intersection. Mr. Muller said they evaluated that intersection with the Police Department to do a full accident investigation and there is no accident issue at that intersection. They did not make any recommendations for improvements at that intersection. Mr. Jenkins said he thought there may be backups on West Street toward the center of town. Mr. Jenkins asked about the issue of the Mass Electric overhead wires; Mr. Masiello said he has not heard back from the utility. ,- Mr. Burke said he attended a meeting with MassHighway today about direct access from Route 140. He said the developer presented four options for access and MassHighway said they would keep an open mind. However, he said he thought the town has to consider whose interests are being served. He said he wasn't terribly encouraged by MassHighway's response despite the presentation of several options that would have taken a lot of traffic off the local roads and helped to serve the interests ofthe town. Mr. Burke asked for a sense of existing and post build-out traffic numbers. Mr. Muller said he has the numbers, but not in that form. He said he could come back with them. Mr. Masiello said he would put together a table with those numbers. Mr. DeMassi asked if the applicant is willing to have a condition in the special permit to do another traffic study after the site has been developed for a year, and if there are decreases in service, to do additional mediation. Mr. Burke said that could be made a condition. Mr. Masiello said they have monitored traffic after completion in other developments; however, the only difficulty would be if the mitigation were undefmed in the condition. He said he would be willing to monitor post-development but asked that there be a defined outcome in the special permit. Mr. DeMassi said he likes the second entrance but said it should be improved in the same way as the main entrance. --- Public Comment Madison Smith, Chauncy Street, said he is concerned about the traffic increases at Chauncy Street, Copeland Drive and West Street, as well as about delivery traffic to this r- site. Mr. French said the board has a traffic consultant who will review the applicant's study and make suggestions. Leonard Flynn, 102 Jewell Street, said the intersections on School Street headed toward West Mansfield are currently at Level F and this will make that worse. He said the streetscape will be dramatically impacted by this project and suggested a condition of the special permit be that access to the site is from Route 140. He said he understands MassHighway can be difficult to deal with, but said it can be done with constant pressure. Kara Lynch, attorney for Mansfield Citizens to Save the Land, asked that the letter from State Representative Garrett Bradley, who represents Hingham, be read into the record. Mr. French explained the board's policy has been that all the correspondence is sent to the board and is available to the public in the Planning Department, but is not read at the public hearings. Ms. Lynch said at the Shops at Derby Street in Hingham, WS Development applied for a variance for parking with the site only 80-85% completed. Mr. French said the board is aware of the issues in Hingham, but would have to make a decision based on the plan before it now. Ms. Lynch said there are several similarities to this site, especially regarding traffic. Ms. Lynch introduced Bill Schwarz, transportation planner with the Louis Berger Group, who has done a review of the traffic study. He said he was concerned about the width of School Street. He said to the west of the entrance drive, School Street is currently 35 feet and is proposed to go to 64 feet, and 500 feet from the entrance drive School Street goes ,- from 34 to 74 feet. He said at its widest point, School Street will become 82 feet wide. He said that would dramatically change the street and only needs to be that wide to accommodate the project's traffic. Mr. Schwarz said he differs with the method used in the traffic study. He said the site includes 21,000 square feet of restaurant space, which generate more trips per square foot than retail space. He said there should be a separate trip generation done for each use; he said with the restaurants, there would be an additional 2,000 trips daily and 2,300 on weekends. He said the afternoon peak would see 174 more trips, Saturday mid-day peak and additional 346 trips. Mr. Schwarz said his SchooVSpring Street analysis for afternoon peak shows that currently, a left turn takes 41 seconds; he said in the future, without this project it will take 300 seconds and with it, 500 seconds. However, he said that was unlikely to actually happen because people would begin taking other routes. He said if the town has concerns about intersections that have not been addressed, it should require the applicant to study them quantitatively. Mr. Schwarz said the board should seek improvements where it thinks they are needed. Mr. Schwarz said the project's value is its location next to the highway and he thinks people will be attracted to the site from Route 495. .--- ~ Mr. Schwarz said the applicant should be asked to come up with a plan for holiday traffic. Mr. Schwarz said queuing lengths are important; he said post-development, left turns leaving the site would have a 1,060 second delay. He said the plan was redesigned so now the left turn works, but traffic going across Route 140 will have a longer wait. Mr. Schwarz said the site plan shows a sidewalk to the west of the driveway and there is a crosswalk across Route 140. He said a sidewalk should be installed, which would decrease vehicle trips. Mr. Schwarz said it was reasonable to make a condition requiring the traffic to be revisited and mitigation done in the future if necessary. Ms. Lynch said this project would violate several paragraphs of the Zoning By-Law and there are not enough benefits to the project as proposed. She said the proposal is based on the larger structure being three separate stores, but said without a deed restriction guaranteeing they will be kept separate, that building could be made into one big box store and may include a grocery store, which she said would further increase traffic. Mr. French asked if she thought that could be made a condition of the special permit; Ms. Lynch said a deed restriction to prevent the removal of the internal walls could be used. Mr. French asked if Ms. Lynch's position is that the project is too big or should be denied; she said it is too big for School Street. ,--- John Sullivan, Union Street Extension, said a development like this could turn Mansfield into a regional magnet; he said the traffic will be horrendous, especially the delivery vehicles. Frank Frido, 256 Williams Street, said Old Elm Street and Otis Street should be included in the traffic study because they are feeder streets for new subdivisions, as well as Attleboro and North Attleboro. Matthew Jacques, Brookside Road, said he was concerned about the impact on the industrial park. He said people would use the park as a short cut to avoid this development, and those roads are not maintained as well. He said Otis Street and Elm Street are also short cuts and should be considered. Justin Dye, 120 School Street, said the traffic study hasn't considered the vacancy level in the industrial park. He said traffic entering the Spring/School Street intersection doesn't even slow down coming off Route 140. He said there are sidewalks on School Street and he has asked the town to continue the sidewalks to Spring Street. Mr. French asked what the percentage of vacancy is in the industrial park; Mr. Burke said he thought it is around 12-15% vacant. Mr. Jenkins said he would get that number. --- Darlene Howard, 21 Williams Street, said the speed limit on School Street is currently 40 -- mph and asked about reducing the speed limit. Mr. French said it is a short distance from the intersection to the first driveway. Mr. Burke said lowering the speed limit can be examined, but the issue is one of enforcement. Ms. Howard noted the Williams Street bridge is now reopened and asked for a study to be done on Old Elm Street. Jim Polumba, 155 School Street, said existing traffic makes it difficuh to get out of his driveway, and this will only make it worse. He said there is a problem now with illegal U-Turns at the School Street/Route 140 intersection. Michelle Busharis, Tremont Street, said Route 140 access is necessary because the project is too big and will put too much traffic on School Street. She said the Old Elm Street intersection should be studied. She noted the Tweeter Center holiday light show is scheduled this year, which will impact traffic during the holiday season. Len Grimes, 10 Sean Drive, said the Hingham information Ms. Lynch gave the board should be read carefully. He said sidewalks are a big safety issue because children will walk to this site. He said he thought the traffic from Norton and Attleboro using Richardson Avenue has been underestimated. He said the project is too big, but access from Route 140 would change the situation significantly. r- Mr. Masiello said he is very sensitive to traffic concerns and suggested waiting for the town's traffic consultant to review the study. He said he would be looking at the sidewalk issue more carefully. Mr. Masiello said there are many differences between this project and Hingham. He said they went to Hingham with a parking plan based on retail and restaurant uses in a development that had not been fully leased. They eventually leased more restaurant seats than originally permitted, went back to the town to change the permit to construct more parking for those seats, and the town approved the change. He said that was an example of the plan changing during the leasing process, not a question of finding there wasn't enough parking for what was built. He said the Hingham project is not complete, and they do not envision a long-term parking problem. He said they will be monitoring the traffic signals for one year, which they do in all their developments. Mr. Burke said the next scheduled traffic discussion will be Thursday, December 16, 2004 at 7:00 p.m., which he said should give the applicant sufficient time to address the issues brought up tonight and give the board's consultant time to review the traffic study. Mr. Holmes asked about redoing aerial photos during the holiday season; Mr. Masiello said he is planning to do that. Mr. Armstrong asked about internal site circulation; pedestrian and vehicular circulation will be discussed at the next meeting. .--- - Mr. Burke said Mr. Schwarz spoke about a holiday traffic management plan and asked if the applicant has done that before. Mr. Masiello said they have done year-round traffic management plans, including employee car pools. He said holiday traffic management usually involves whether or not to hire police details for inside and right outside the site which they do at their own expense. Mr. Burke said Tweeter has a traffic management plan, which they worked out with MassHighway and the Police Department, and suggested Mr. Masiello consider a holiday plan. Mr. French asked Mr. Bloomer to look at the traffic study, trip generation rates, distribution, other intersections like School/Old Elm, School/Otis, Route 1061N0rth Main Street, School/Spring, SchoollWest/Copeland and parking variances. Mr. French said one of the things that has been suggested is that this is a "fill in" center, so the demand for parking spaces won't be as great because ofthe other retail alternatives and asked for Mr. Bloomer to look at that. Mr. French asked Mr. Bloomer to look at this and future developments in the corridor. Mr. DeMassi asked if the number of parking spaces for which they are seeking relief has changed; Mr. Masiello said it has and they no longer need relief for as many spaces as originally requested. Mr. French asked for that to be clarified; Sheet LM-l has a table showing what is required by zoning and what is provided. Mr. Masiello presented a request to continue the public hearing until December 16,2004. ,,-- Dr. Torman asked Mr. Bloomer to look at the intersection of 495/95. Motion: To continue the public hearing to December 16,2004 at 7:00 p.rn. (Torman-Jenkins) All in favor. PASSES /7. Adj........t Motion: To adjourn at 10:45 p.m. (Torman-Armstrong) All in favor. PASSES Next meeting: December 1,2004 at 7:30 p.rn. .~ , d Q.AJ..~ ~1!'cD t:7iJ.. a' ,,, Signature of Clerk lDOf ~