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Planning Board Minutes
( August 31, 2004
Present: Tom French, Chair; Fred Armstrong, Clerk; Doug Annino, Ken Torman,
Walter Jenkins, John DeMassi, Frank Holmes
Shaun P. Burke, Director ofP . and Develo ment
Mr. French explained the board would take some questions on the aesthetic issues
covered at the first meeting, discuss the parking relief and finally infrastructure.
Public Comment - Aesthetics
Cheryl Grimes, School Street, asked how many loading docks there would be. Mr.
Masiello explained they are still developing their leasing, so he does not know how many
stores there will be. He said each store would have its own loading dock; most will be at
the rear, with some on the side. Ms. Grimes said the original plan shows only one dock.
Mr. Hollworth explained for the size of the development, zoning requires nine loading
docks, and 10 have been shown throughout the development. Ms. Grimes asked how
many trucks would be coming down School Street; Mr. Hollworth said the majority of
traffic would be directed into and out of School Street via Route 140; he said he did not
know at this time how many trucks there would be. He said there is no access to the site
from Route 140. Ms. Grimes asked if there had been an Environmental Impact Report
,,- done on the impervious surface to be installed; Mr. French said that would be discussed
during the Infrastructure portion of the evening.
Mr. Annino asked how many dock doors would be at each area; Mr. Hollworth said it
would depend on each tenant. He said there are three loading dock doors and a
compactor pad shown behind the proposed Kohl's pad. Mr. DeMassi asked how many
loading docks the other large pad would need. Mr. Masiello said the small stores facing
the pond could share one loading facility, and the large pad would need its own.
Tom Wojick, 42 Cobbler Road, asked if the loading dock for the largest pad is close to
Cobbler Road and asked if it could be oriented toward the interior of the development,
nearest the highway, rather than on the Cobbler Road side.
Variance Requests
Mr. Hollworth said the local zoning requirements exceed the industry standards for a
facility of this type, which is 450,000 square feet including the hotel. He said typically,
the parking requirements decline as the facility size increases because of "shared trips,"
the idea that patrons are visiting multiple stores in one trip.
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Mr. Hollworth explained how they arrived at their parking numbers. He said the total
number of spaces required under the Zoning By-Law is 2,600, which includes 100
dedicated hotel and employee spaces, which translates into 6.17 parking spaces per 1,000
square foot of retail. Mr. Hollworth explained they are proposing 4.6 spaces per 1000
square feet. He further explained the International Council of Shopping Centers numbers
( use 4.125 spaces per 1,000 square feet, and the Institute of Transportation Engineers use
3.97 spaces per 1,000 square feet.
Mr. DeMassi asked where the Urban Land Institute models are; Mr. Hollworth said the
study was done in 1998 and the malls are around the country, with 39 in New England.
Mr. Hollworth said the ZBA had asked about the actual parking demand for centers in
New England. He said they took aerial photographs and did parking counts of several
shopping centers in the region on July 31, 2004 and August 14, 2004, the tax holiday.
Mr. Hollworth presented aerial photographs of several shopping centers in Bellingham,
including the Stallbrook Center, which showed many empty parking spaces. Mr.
DeMassi asked how much parking is required in Bellingham; Mr. Masiello explained he
had prepared tables comparing each town's parking requirements, which will be
presented this evening. Mr. Hollworth also presented a photograph ofthe Erin's Centre
site in Mansfield, showing many empty parking spaces and a graph of the July 31, 2004
and August 14, 2004 parking numbers for each shopping center described above.
Board Comment
Mr. Holmes asked what time the photos were taken; Mr. Masiello said both the July 31
and August 14 were Saturdays and the photographs were taken between 12 pm and 2 pm.
Mr. Hohnes asked if the studies were done by type of shopping center; Mr. Hollworth
said they were done on shopping centers of comparable size to this one.
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Mr. Armstrong asked the date of the Institute of Transportation Engineers study; Mr.
Hollworth said it was around 1984 and is currently being updated.
Mr. Annino asked what the recommended distance is from the last parking space to the
front door; Mr. Hollworth said that would depend on the zoning requirements of the town
and the type of store. Mr. Annino asked if there were studies on that; Mr. Hollworth said
he wasn't aware of any. Mr. Annino said it appears to be a very long walk from some of
the parking spaces to the stores. Mr. Masiello said the parking plan for Mansfield is
thoughtful, and except for a few small places, all the facilities have their parking oriented
close to the building. Mr. Annino asked if people would use spaces that far away from
the stores and whether it would be safe to get from those parking areas to the stores.
Mr. Annino asked about the fallback position if all the variances are granted and it later
turns out there is a parking problem. Mr. Masiello said they intend to reserve land that
would have been used for parking as open space; he said he isn't proposing a drastic
reduction in parking. Mr. Annino said he would be interested in the peak parking
numbers for places close to Mansfield, such as Emerald Square and Wrentham Village.
Mr. Masiello said there are big differences between the parking needs of an enclosed mall
and an open-air shopping center, so they used open air centers for comparison to this
project. Mr. Annino asked about the Wrentham parking ratio; Mr. Masiello said he did
not know what that is.
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Mr. DeMassi said there had been discussion about shoppers parking and walking around
to the different stores, but said because of the distance between the stores, it did not
appear to him that would happen. Mr. Masiello said people may move around the site,
especially between the most remote stores, but noted there would only be one parking
space used for that shopper during that trip. Mr. DeMassi asked about the types of
centers used for comparison; Mr. Masiello said they tried to compare different types of
tenants and sizes of developments. He said the Stallbrook Center is not representative of
the type of development he plans for Mansfield, but said even that center, used as a
worst-case scenario, is parked significantly below the peak. Mr. DeMassi said he
doubted the tax holiday traffic would be like the peak Christmas holiday times. Mr.
Masiello said they decided before this what centers they would fly over and counted all
the cars, added a safety factor, and arrived at the results of that study. He said they have
not manipulated any of the data and said the retailers experienced a significant increase in
expected sales on the tax holiday.
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Mr. Jenkins said studying the tax holiday and identifying the volume of people using the
shopping centers is admirable, but said he doesn't believe there is a correlation between
sales data and the number of people going to the shopping center. He said the tax holiday
is an incentive for people to buy big-ticket items, rather than an encouragement for
people to shop from store to store. Mr. Jenkins asked about the hotel parking; Mr.
Masiello said the hotel is parked at one space per room, and the variance application asks
to include employee parking in the underlying numbers. Mr. Jenkins said he is concerned
about snow in the parking lot, especially during the holiday peak times. He said he was
also concerned about having a place within the center for additional, seasonal parking if it
becomes necessary. He said he was concerned about people parking on the side of
School Street if there isn't enough parking inside the site during those times. Mr.
Masiello said he would look at alternative parking areas. Mr. Jenkins suggested looking
at off-site employee parking, such as the Tweeter Center, during high traffic times. Mr.
Masiello said there are places on the property where additional parking could be
developed in the future, but those locations are in areas where the Zoning By-Law would
discourage paving due to environmental sensitivities. He said he isn't proposing to pave
those areas at this time. Mr. Masiello presented a copy of the article regarding the tax
holiday, which indicates it was a heavily attended shopping day as well as a big-ticket
purchasing day. Mr. Jenkins said the board would have a better indication of the parking
needs if it knew what the largest store pad was going to be.
Dr. Torman said he thought a Saturday afternoon in the summertime might not have been
the busiest time to do traffic counts and suggested an evening may have been better. He
suggested there are several open-air shopping centers near the Emerald Square Mall that
could have been used for parking comparisons. Mr. Masiello said he would be willing to
do this type of study on other centers the board would like to see. Mr. Jenkins said the
data that would be most useful would be the parking for the day after Thanksgiving and
the week before Christmas. Dr. Torman said it would be hard to guess the kind of draw
the center would have without knowing the tenants; Mr. Masiello said they looked at the
ratio of the spaces to the size of the buildings. Dr. Torman said the centers Mr. Masiello
showed seemed to have many fewer stores than proposed here. Mr. Masiello said he
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used a variety of center sizes, including some smaller with fewer vendors and some larger
( with more vendors. He said the parking requirements for each is different.
Mr. Armstrong said the site plan looks like two shopping centers connected by one access
road and asked if the two had been calculated separately. He said it appears the larger,
top portion may be alright, but the parking on the smaller, lower portion may be a
problem. Mr. Masiello said he had looked at those two areas and provided parking to
accommodate them both. He said he could do a table to calculate the parking available
for each of those two areas.
Mr. Burke said the only actual number the board heard was 2,600, the required number of
spaces, and asked that it get the following: the number of spaces required for the number
of square feet for each use; the employee parking for each use; what they are proposing
for each use; the distribution of spaces on each side of the site. He also noted Mr.
Masiello said there is potential for additional parking in environmentally sensitive areas
and asked for those areas to be identified. Mr. DeMassi asked that the parking spaces
proposed for each store be described, perhaps by color-coding them on a plan. Mr.
Hollworth said there is a table in the plan showing what is required by zoning.
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Mr. French said the parking ratio comparison shows the town requires 6.17 spaces per
1000 square feet; Mr. Hollworth said that is the retail, restaurant and employee parking,
approximately 2,500 spaces, and does not include the hotel spaces. Mr. French asked if
the Urban Land Institute and Institute of Transportation Engineering includes restaurants;
Mr. Hollworth said the Urban Land Institute is a combination of mixed-use centers, some
with and some without restaurants. He said lTE should, in theory, be more indicative of
pure retail centers, but said he believes a restaurant component is included. However, he
noted that is a 1984 study that may be somewhat outdated. Mr. French asked if those two
studies use gross square footage; Mr. Hollworth said he believes they do. He said he
would check whether the studies use gross square footage or gross leasable area.
Mr. French said he doesn't think the board wants any more pavement than necessary, but
suggested a shared parking area, holding some in reserve and landscaping the rest. Mr.
Masiello said he would have to look at whether there is enough landscaped area to be
able to commit to doing that. He said most of the opportunities for overflow parking are
at the periphery of the center, not the interior and he said he may need additional reliefto
create overflow parking areas because he would lose existing landscaping.
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Public Comment
John Southern, 15 Old Elm Street, said the plan shows a lot of landscaping and asked if
there will be usable pedestrian space. Mr. French said many of the green areas on the
plan are wetlands, which will not be used. Mr. Masiello explained the pond is existing
and will be maintained; they are proposing a series of eight-foot wide walkways with
plaza areas circumnavigating the pond, along with several benches and planting areas.
That will connect to a network of sidewalks to connect to the stores. He said they are still
working on making that area tailored to Mansfield's character. Mr. Southern said the
northwest corner is heavily forested and asked if that would be available; Mr. Masiello
said that area, closest to the intersection of Routes 495 and 140, is owned by the
,,- Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and everything below that is either regulated wetlands
or will be used as stormwater detention systems or wetland replication areas.
Jack Walsh, one of the owners, said since the Emerald Square Mall was built, many new
shopping centers have been built, taking customers away from the mall. He said the
employees no longer have to be bused to work because of the other draws. He added that
much of the parking in the shopping center in South Attleboro is for the train station.
Jim Polumba, 155 School Street, said he was concerned about adequate parking being
provided and the potential for queuing on School Street. He said concerts at Tweeter
often cause backups onto Route 495 and he doesn't want that to happen at this site.
Mr. Masiello said he would provide the board with some additional parking information
for discussion at the next meeting. He said he would request a continuance from the
ZBA until after that meeting.
Infrastructure Discussion
Mr. Hollworth explained the discussion would be primarily about stormwater
management, sanitary sewer, water supply and distribution, electrical distribution and
private utilities, as well as Mass Electric lines which run through the site.
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Stormwater Management System
Mr. Hollworth explained they plan to reduce the peak rates of runoff, balance overall
hydrologic regime, maintain water quality and soil erosion and sedimentation control.
The runotIwill be controlled on premises. The site contains several environmentally
sensitive areas, like wetland systems, so the hydrologic regime has to be balanced. Water
quality is a new objective of the DEP, to take stormwater runotIfrom parking areas,
settle solids and keep them out of the system, which has been accomplished here through
a parking lot sweeping program, catch basins, water quality swales and basins and
advanced water quality units.
Mr. Hollworth explained the pre-development watershed, highlighting the various areas
which affect the site by flowing or discharging to the site. There is a portion between
School Street and the railroad right-of-way which drains through culverts under School
Street, through this site and out to Route 495. In some instances, a portion of site (shown
at the top of the plan) has a discharge point where a portion of the water flows to the
Route 140 corridor. That has an undersized culvert, which is bypassed during large
storms. All the water from this site is conveyed to the Route 495 system and eventually
to the Rumford River. There are onsite wetland resource areas shown on the plan,
including the existing pond and a ditch bringing water from the northern part of the site,
through the site and to Route 495.
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Mr. Hollworth presented an overlay with the wetland resource areas and proposed
conditions, including the post-development drainage system. Roofrunoffwill collect and
be recharged according to DEP standards. The site has low-permeability soils, classified
as "C" material. There will be a system of swales and detention basins. and the outlet to
r- the pond will be changed so it will hold additional runoff.
Mr. Hollworth explained the system of conveyances to the various drainage pipes and
how they discharge. Groundwater infiltration tests have been done and they are refining
their stormwater design as a result of those tests. Mr. Hollworth said the quantity of
recharge is minimal from this site.
Sanitary Sewer System
Mr. Hollworth said the intention is to provide an efficient means of disposal and
explained that most of the proposed uses are "dry retail uses" under DEP guidelines, with
the restaurant and hotel uses higher. The total sewer generation for the development will
be 40,000 gallons. This site is not presently served by sewer, but the town designed a 24"
sewer extension to service this property and alleviate existing an pump station servicing
the industrial park. The applicant will be extending the sewer main under Route 140,
along School Street and to the entrance of the site. There is a stub under the existing
stream when the SchooVSpring Street reconstruction was done several years ago. The
interior of the site will be serviced by gravity latera1s~ and a small pumping station is
being considered. Mr. Hollworth said the highest point of the site is at School Street and
the lowest is at Route 140, so the hotel will be at the lowest point and will need a pump.
The hotel will require DEP permits for its grease trap and sewer extension.
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Mr. Jenkins noted the pump station is not on the plans; Mr. Hollworth said that is
proposed to be underground. He said the controls will be put inside, the system will be
privately owned and maintained and will comply with DEP requirements.
Water Supply and Distribution
Mr. Hollworth said the two issues are water demand to the site and distribution within the
site. There is a 12" pipe in School Street with good pressure and will be adequate from
fU'e fighting and usage points of view. The town's policy requires replacement of water
drawn from its wells; the applicant proposes to fimd a leak detection study and repair,
which will improve existing pipes. Mr. Hollworth said the town has done some
fundamental leak: detection studies and knows there are areas in need of additional study.
Mr. DeMassi asked if there is any intention to use a well on site; Mr. Hollworth said there
is not, but the pond may be used for irrigation.
Mr. Hollworth said there will be a system of new pipes for domestic feeds and fire
prevention; most buildings will have a secondary source of water in case of a break.
Hydrant locations have been adjusted following comments from Fire and Engineering.
Electrical Distribution System
Mr. Hollworth said they have been working with the Light Department, which would like
the project to be further along before planning system locations. He noted the Mass
Electric overhead lines, which go through this site, will be relocated around the outside of
the site to eliminate problems within the site.
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Department Head Comment
The clerk read memos from Mr. Gaffney, Ms. Langille and Mr. Sullivan. Mr. Hollworth
said he met with staff on July 15, 2004, at which point he understood he was to wait until
after the first Planning Board meeting before supplying the testing information to the
Engineering Department. He said the stormwater system will have to be redesigned and
resubmitted, but that he has addressed the majority of Mr. Sullivan's comments.
Mr. French asked about the project's status with the Conservation Commission; Mr.
Hollworth said they have filed a Notice ofIntent, had one meeting and will return to the
commission on September 27.
Board Comment
Mr. Jenkins asked about the leak detection program. Mr. Hollworth said they plan to fix
leaks in the system on a 2-1 basis. He said there is inevitably a certain amount of leakage
given the length and age of the piping. Mr. Jenkins asked what would happen ifno leaks
are found; Mr. Hollworth said they have explored a number of other alternatives.
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Mr. Jenkins asked about the detention pond at the School Street entrance. Mr. Hollworth
explained that is a wetland mitigation area and will be used to provide water quality
enhancement for existing School Street runoff. He said they have not accounted for any
peak attenuation in that area.
Mr. French noted Mr. Sullivan's memo mentioned plans dated May; Mr. Hollworth said
the revisions have not been formally submitted, but those plans include minor changes.
Mr. DeMassi asked that the next meeting include an aerial view of the site; Mr.
Hollworth said a view like that is included in the special permit application, and he would
add it to the presentation.
Mr. DeMassi asked if Mr. Masiello's company has developments in other communities
near residential areas and whether there have been water complaints. Mr. Masiello said
the Millbury project had proposed to bring new water infrastructure to a nearby
residential area, and during the construction some of those residential wells and septic
systems failed, which they replaced. He said he has no knowledge of complaints from
abutters about runoffbeing directed to their properties.
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Mr. DeMassi said the water seems to be moving toward Route 495 and asked which way
the water flows at that point. Mr. Hollworth said a portion of the runoff during small
events enters a culvert that discharges to the other side of Route 140 to a wetland system,
then flows to the Rumford River. The other areas of the site overtop their capacity during
larger events, discharge to twin 36" culverts; to Route 140 and then to the Rumford
River. Mr. French asked if the pre-development watershed map shows the culverts; Mr.
Hollworth explained they are generally in the area ofthe diamonds shown on that plan.
( Mr. DeMassi asked about using water from the pond and asked if the plans show how
that will be done. Mr. Hollworth explained the May 21 plans show an intake in the area
at the end of the pond, but they have not yet designed the pumping system. He said the
big concern would be to get the landscaping through the first three growing seasons, after
which the drought resistant plants should be self-sufficient.
Mr. Annino asked if the landscape irrigation would be done using the pond. Mr.
Hollworth said there would also be a back-up system in case of drought, but said that
would be rare. He said the pond is 12 feet deep in its center, so there are millions of
gallons of water available. Mr. Masiello said they planned to landscape around the
buildings and the islands. Mr. Hollworth said because of glacial till materials, there /
would be low levels of water withdrawal from the pond.
Mr. Annino asked about roof drains for the small stores and hotels; Mr. Hollworth said
they would flow overland into adjacent drainage systems because it will be clean roof
runoff. He said the large building roof runoff will be captured and recharged and the
small buildings will have insignificant runoff.
Mr. Annino said he didn't want to see grease traps at the front of the restaurants.
Mr. Annino said once the pump station is decided, the emergency generators should be
located on the plans and screened.
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Mr. Annino asked about the sewer; Mr. Hollworth said there is a 24" main which has the
capacity to serve this site and other sites, including the industrial park. The main would
go under School Street, under Route 495 and connect to the industrial park. The
applicant will provide laterals up School Street.
Mr. Annino asked how the electric will get from School Street into the site. Mr.
Hollworth said it would come off the existing overhead lines, which may be relocated.
The exact location is unknown at this time. Mr. Annino asked if it would need a
transformer and how that would look; Mr. Hollworth said he didn't anticipate a
transformer at the entrance, but there would be a primary feed at the entrance with
transformers to the individual buildings. He said there would be a system of four 2"
conduits underground.
Mr. Annino asked about water pressure on School Street and how this would effect
residences. Mr. Hollworth said the pressure is currently 66 psi, and the town will engage
a consultant to put this project into its model. Mr. Annino asked about the need for fire
pumps. Mr. Hollworth said that might depend on the tenant and what their storage
situation is; some retail tenants require booster pumps for fire suppression.
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Mr. Armstrong asked about how the pond is fed and drained pre and post-development.
Mr. Holworth said there is surface runoff now and the pond is groundwater fed; the
discharge is a granite cobble spillway, 4-6 feet wide, with a platform across it. He said
they don't plan to alter that discharge point but to level the area around it. He added the
r- pond is very clear, which he attributes to the fact that it is groundwater fed and very deep.
Mr. Holmes said there will be a lot of additional impervious surface and asked about the
post-development peak rates. Mr. Hollworth said the infiltration is more an attempt to
maintain base flow to the wetlands, which represents an insignificant piece of attenuation.
The majority will be through catch basins or the pond. Mr. Holmes asked if the spillway
would restrict the flow; Mr. Hollworth said they would extend it and add controls to on-
site culvert systems.
Mr. Holmes asked about the location of testing; Mr. Hollworth said the Engineering
Department has witnessed test pits in the detention basin areas to estimate seasonal high
ground water. He said 12 borings and 12 test pits have been done, and he will make the
results of that testing available.
Mr. Holmes asked where groundwater was generally found; Mr. Hollworth said they are
tying to establish situations where the water will be close to the landscaping and usable as
part of the wetland mitigation. Existing groundwater elevations have been variable and it
appears glacial tills appear immediately under existing soils is perched as little as 3 feet
below grade; static groundwater level closer to 7-10 feet. Mr. Holmes asked if the
infiltration basins wiU be 2 feet above groundwater; Mr. Hollworth said those areas
hadn't been witnessed prior to the plans being drawn, so they would have to be
redesigned to get minimum 2 feet separation between the bottom and groundwater.
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Mr. Holmes said it appears there will be significant changes to the drainage; Mr.
Hollworth said there would be. He said they did an analysis of how the system would
react with no recharge, which has been submitted to Engineering.
Mr. DeMassi asked about drainage going into the pond and where the overflow would go.
Mr. Hollworth said there is more than enough room to handle the water with the
modifications proposed to the berm. He said the difference in the pond pre.. and post-
development would be 8-10 inches, and the pond's discharge would be into Wetland
Area 1 at the southerly comer, which then enters a forested wetland system contained by
berms constructed when the 140/495 improvements were done. There is a twin 24"
culvert at the entrance to help control the runoffbefore it leaves the site.
Mr. Burke asked about the stormwater leaving the site and where it goes. Mr. Hollworth
explained all the areas in fuschia on the plan are contributory to the Route 140 system, go
under 140 through a series of culverts and pipes and discharges to a wetland system on
the easterly side of Route 140. He said that culvert does not have the capacity to handle
the loo-year storm, so for the 2-year storm, there is a drainage ditch connected to a
culvert; the ditch continues at a pitch, water ponds in the area, overtops the crest and
flows into another drainage ditch to combine with water contributory to that area. There
is a ditch bisecting the site, which was realigned at some point and was intended as a
runoff for the street. There are twin 24" culverts under the access drive parallel to Route
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495, and water will overtop that, go into a swale along Route 495 then to the Rumford
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Mr. Burke asked about the area nearest Cobbler Road and what effect this would have on
the residences at the end of that cul-de-sac. Mr. Hollworth said there will not be a
substantial change in the overall watershed area. The area will have runoff to
undeveloped portions of the site, resulting in conditions similar to existing conditions.
The majority of the parking lot runoffwill be directed away from Cobbler Road, and
there will be a reduction in the peak runoff going to that area. Mr. Hollworth said in the
largest storm, the runoff should get better for Cobbler Road residents. At the southerly
end of the triangle, the storm water goes under Route 495 and comes out on the other side
into a large, low-lying drainage system and eventually to the Rumford River. Mr. Burke
asked about that property's owner. Mr. Hollworth said that is undeveloped area but he
would research the owner. Mr. Burke said there are large lots on the Cobbler Road cul-
de-sac and ask~ if this point of discharge would effect those homes. Mr. Hollworth said
he had tried to verifY that there will be unimpeded flow to a large open area. Mr. Burke
asked about the third point of discharge along Route 495; Mr. Hollworth said that
ultimately comes out at the same point as the second discharge. He said that discharge
does not head to residential properties, and the peak rate of runoff would be reduced.
Mr. Burke asked ifall discharge will have been treated; Mr. Hollworth said it would be,
as will the roof runoff.
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Mr. Burke asked what additional storm water to the pond in the winter would do to the
pond. Mr. Hollworth said he didn't believe there would be significant change to the
water temperature, but there would likely be thinner ice at the discharge points. Mr.
Burke said he wouldn't want to change the water temperature to the point where fish or
plant life in the pond are impacted. He said the pond might be an attractive place for
children to play and suggested it might be possible to use it as a recreational use, but
wouldn't want to do that if stormwater discharge might create dangerous ice conditions.
Mr. Masiello said he would be concerned about allowing public access to the pond, and
said there would be fencing around the walkway to discourage access. He said they have
fencing around the detention ponds at their other facilities. Mr. DeMassi said if there is
going to be fencing, the board would need the details. Mr. Hollworth said they are
working with the Conservation Commission to try to restore some native species to the
edge of the pond, which may discourage access. Mr. Burke said if the pond is intended to
be an amenity, there has to be a way to treat it while safeguarding public safety. He said
this pond doesn't have the steep sides found in a drainage area and asked the applicant to
be creative and keep it looking like a pond. Mr. Masiello agreed.
Mr. Jenkins asked if there is an intent to enlarge culverts; Mr. Hollworth said there is not.
Mr. Jenkins asked about the overhead wires going around the outside of the development
and said that issue should be revisited. Mr. Masiello said they understood that from the
last meeting and ate working with Mass Electric to resolve the issue. Mr. Jenkins said he
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didn't want to be able to see the overhead wires from Route 140. Mr. Masiello said he
r- understood the board wants him to explore the underground option.
Mr. French asked for an aerial photograph showing the proposed development and the
drainage where it goes under Routes 140 and 495, and the routes it travels to the Rumford
River. He also requested half size copies of the most current sets of plans.
Mr. French asked about the water quality basin near School Street; he asked if it could be
rotated so as not to lose trees. Mr. Hollworth said he would look at that.
Mr. French asked about cutting and filling; Mr. Hollworth said the intent is to balance the
site and the structural fill material that will be brought in. He said in light of the high
groundwater and geotechnical information, they are looking carefully at that. He said he
did not envision surcharging the site.
Public Comment
Jim Polumba, 155 School Street, asked the capacity of the wastewater treatment plant.
Mr. Burke said Mansfield has been directed by DEP to prepare a comprehensive
wastewater management plan, but there is no moratorium on new connections. He
explained there is an ongoing program to remove groundwater from the facility because
that adds quite a bit of capacity. Mr. Polumba asked if this project would put us over the
top. Mr. Burke said he did not think it would.
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John Southern, 15 Old Elm Street, asked about what would be taken out of the School
Street water main and what effect it will have on downstream users. Mr. Hollworth said
this project would be put into the town's mode4 but said it would have an insignificant
impact on pressure for other users, and the site will use a very low percentage of the
School street capacity.
Leonard Flynn, 102 Jewell Street, said the Great Woods conservation area is south and
west of this area. He said the development should not be approved with overhead lines,
access should be off Route 140 and suggested getting the support of the Board of
Selectmen and local representatives for a Route 140 access. He said traffic on School
Street is already heavy from West Mansfield and this will make it much worse. Mr.
French said there has been a lot of discussion about the Route 140 access and he believes
every effort will be made to make that happen Mr. Flynn said he did not believe the
board has received enough information to make a special permit decision. Mr. French
said the board has discussed that with the applicant, who said he would be working on
creating a theme for the development. Mr. French said the applicant is also putting
together information about projects he has done in other towns which use design review
for specific tenants and uses, but said he was also concerned about the board receiving
enough information to make a decision
Kara Lynch, representing Mansfield Citizens to Save the Land, asked if an independent
environmental consultant would be hired to review drainage. Mr. French said the board
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has not discussed hiring outside consultants and is relying on Town Engineer John
~ Sullivan, who is as good or better than anyone they could hire.
Tom Wojick, Cobbler Road, thanked the board for addressing his neighbor's concerns
about drainage and thanked Mr. Hollworth for his explanation. He said there is a 48"
pipe under Route 140 that ends at a swale, which is the beginning of the tributary that
goes to the Rumford River. He said he is concerned about the flow rate being increased.
Mr. Hollworth said that enters the site as twin 36" pipes but may increase to a 48" pipe.
Mr. Wojick said either that pipe was oversized or there is an intention to increase flow.
Mr. French said DEP prevents developments from increasing peak flow off site, which
Mr. Sullivan will review and verifY. Mr. Wojick asked if there are any studies showing
the existing flow; Mr. French said he didn't know of any. Mr. Hollworth said Mass
Highway may have done some studies on that.
Mr. French said there are a number of items the board requested for the next meeting.
Mr. Masiello said he understood that, and said he is aware of a number of issues that
remain to be addressed. He said he cou)d have the answers for the next meeting.
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The board discussed continuing to September 22, 2004 at 7:00 p.rn., at which time the
topics will be: Conclusion of Parking Relief, Infrastructure, and if time permits, Begin
Traffic Discussion. The board also discussed meeting October 13 and 20 for traffic.
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Motion: To continue to September 22, 2004 at 7:00 in Room 2 aIb
(Torman-DeMassi) All in favor. PASSES
Motion: To adjourn at 10:45 p.rn. (Torman-DeMassi) All in favor. PASSES
Next meeting: September 1, 2004 at 7:30 p.rn.
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