HomeMy WebLinkAboutBudget Comm 01/15/2025Budget Subcommittee Meeting Minutes
January 16, 2025
Present: Sara Walsh, Jack Cooney, Steve Schoonveld, Lynn Cavicchi, and Maureen Doherty,were present in
Town Hall Meeting Room 2 A/B. Walter Wilk was present via GoToWebinar. f li;
Also Present: Matt Violette, Kevin Dumas and Teresa Murphy were also present in the meeting room.
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School Committee Members Present: Steve Schoonveld, Lynn Cavicchi, Jenn Walsh and Jenifer Sellon
were present at Town Hall Meeting Room 2 A/B.
School Committee Members Not Present: Vivian Webster
Finance Committee Members Present: Sara Walsh, Scott Feely, Greta Thurston, Ryan Martin and Jack
Cooney were present in Town Hall Meeting Room 2 A/B. Michael Flaherty and Melinda Tarsi-Goldfien were
present virtually via GoToWebinar.
Select Board Members Present: Maureen Doherty, Diana Bren and Brendan Roche were present in Town
Hall Meeting Room 2 A/B. Walter was present virtually via GoToWebinar.
Select Board Members Not Present: Michael A. Trowbridge, Sr.
1. Open Meeting
Ms. Sara Walsh called the Budget Subcommittee Meeting to order at 6:3713M. Ms, Sara Walsh stated that
the Finance Committee meeting was called to order at 6:37PM. The Select Board meeting was then called
to order at 6:37PM by Ms. Doherty, Chair. The School Committee meeting was called to order at 6:38PM
by Mr. Schoonveld, Chair and stated that four of the five members were present. Ms. Doherty noted that
there were three members of the Select Board in person and one attending virtually so any votes would be
roll call. Ms. Walsh stated that that was true for Budget Subcommittee and Finance Committee with
members attending virtually.
2. Discussion and review of current budget and agreed upon steps to reduce $4.9 million shortfall to
$2.9 million shortfall
Mr. Violette went through a presentation on the Fiscal Year 2026 beginning with the budget process and
how the budget is developed. He explained that over the past few years the budget reductions have been
significant and have affected departments. He stated that the Town has reduced three full time employees
over the last two years and the Schools had reduced eighteen. Mr. Violette explained that when the
budget was posted on January 11t there was a shortfall of $4.9 million.
Mr. Ryan Martin arrived at 6:40PM.
He continued with the presentation and explained that the main budget driver is health insurance noting
that they have budgeted for a 15% or $1.5 million, increase however the representative from MIAA stated
that the increase may be as high as 19%. He then stated that health insurance makes up approximately
20% of the total budget. Other budget drivers include retiree health insurance, contract salaries and
minimal increases to State Aid over the years. He stated that as of today there is $1.9 million deficit and
the budget has been reduced by $3 million and he provided the list of items that had been cut. Mr. Dumas
stated that the Budget Subcommittee directed them to reduce another $1 million and now there needs to
be a decision of what to do. Mr. Violette then presented three budget options. The first was called a
reduction in service budget which would be a balanced budget without an override. This option which
would eliminate the proposed new public safety positions, reductions of employees for the Town and
Schools, delayed infrastructure maintenance, impacts to snow/ice budget and impacts to the public safety
front desk and also a reduction in services at the Library and Council on Aging. Ms. Murphy stated that on
the Schools side there will be a reduction of ten to twelve licensed educators, elimination or reduction in
programs and there would be an increase to class sizes. Mr. Violette then stated that the second option is
a preferred municipal budget that would require an override that does not have the reductions that are
part of the first option and would include adding two new positions at Public Safety. The third option
would be including the solid waste fee in the override amount and eliminates the $120 yearly fee. Mr.
Violette then provided the dollar amount of how an override would impact the tax bills for various
assessed value of homes. One example was that a $2 million override would increase a tax bill of a
$650,000 average assessed home value by $215 and the total increase including Proposition 2 %would be
$514. Mr. Violette stated that this override does not solve the problem in future years because fixed costs
are outpacing revenues. Mr. Violette then went through the timeline for the override. He stated that the
Annual Town Meeting Warrant opens January 2911 and while that is open the Select Board would need to
take a vote to add an override to the Town Meeting Warrant. He then stated that the local Town Election
is on May 13t^ and it would have the override ballot question. The override has to pass at the ballot and at
Town Meeting.
Ms. Walsh then opened up the discussion and began with Ms. Sellon who asked what the benefit is by
having the trash fee in the override. Ms. Doherty stated that the Select Board had heard from many
residents said they would not support an override and a trash fee. Ms. Jenn Walsh asked if two dollar
amounts for the override were being considered and Ms. Doherty responded that the Select Board will
take a vote and decide which dollar amount option would go forward. Mr. Cooney complimented
everyone on their ability to get a complicated issue explained in a few slides and based on the timeline
there is three months to vet it out. Ms. Doherty thanked everyone for showing up tonight and then
thanked the administration for their work. She stated that any impact to the budget effects people here
tonight and will affect the whole community. Mr. Dumas then spoke about the increase to health
insurance which is not unique to Mansfield and noted that its increase eats up all of the new money for
Fiscal Year 2026. Ms. Doherty thanked Mr. Dumas for bringing that point up and does not think the Town
is overspending and the health insurance increase is beyond the control of the Town. Mr. Schoonveld
stated that twenty percent of the budget went up by twenty percent and this strains the budget and if it
were not for the health insurance increase there may not have been a need for an override, but he is more
worried about Fiscal Year 2027 and believed there should be a $2 million override and another $2 million
in expense reductions. Ms. Sara Walsh commented that she appreciates different solutions but she was
struggling to follow this because she did not believe anyone wanted to cut services. Ms. Bren asked if
there was anything else coming down the pipeline that the cost is still unknown. Mr. Violette responded
that the Southeastern Regional School District assessment, State Aid and health insurance are still
unknown. He stated that State Aid is not going to fluctuate that much but health insurance could. Mr.
Roche thanked everyone for the additional information and stated that the Town is always looking for
possible ways to reduce and be more efficient but he thinks the Select Board needs to go forward with an
override option. Mr. Feely commented that residents can decide to go with cuts and reductions but the
Town cannot cut their way out of this situation. Ms. Thurston commented that insurance costs are not
going to go down and asked if there will be the need for another override next year. Mr. Violette
responded that insurance costs will not be going down and he used an eight percent increase for the next
fiscal year projection which is the industry standard. Mr. Thurston then asked about the trash fee and if it
would benefit the residents by adding it to the override. Ms. Doherty responded that it was a wash. Mr.
Feely disagreed stating that the amount would be part of the levy and that goes up two and a half percent
a year. Ms. Doherty then added that it helps by keeping up with the increases to trash. Ms. Thurston asked
if we are looking to decide on an amount and Mr. Dumas said they are looking for support on whether to
go forward with an override or not and not the dollar amount tonight. Mr. Martin stated that Mr. Violette
commented a previous meeting about the trash contract being up for renewal in 2027 and he asked if a
resident would pay more out of pocket in the long run if the fee were eliminated and the amount went
into the override. Mr. Dumas responded that DPW is looking at the two contracts one for trash pick up and
another for incinerating the trash. He stated that they will have the final numbers prior to the finalizing the
override amount. Mr. Martin commented that by putting it in the override it would only grow two and a
half percent instead of fluctuating based on what amount the new contract comes in at. Mr. Violette
further explained that by having the trash expense as a fee it gives the Select Board a way to absorb the
increases. Mr. Martin that stated that he would not do what Mr. Schoonveld said about doing a $2 million
override and doing $2 million in cuts and he heard a lot through these meetings and the community would
not want these cuts to services. He stated that the residents should understand that the override is not a
result of frivolous spending and these are unique times. He further noted that the variables that are
stressing the budget are not in the control of the Town. Mr. Schoonveld responded that this year's
override does not solve anything and next year there will be a $4 million override and a $6 million override
the following year. He stated that the health insurance is the culprit and we need to ask the employees,
MIAA and legislatures to help fix it. Ms. Sara Walsh commented that she wanted to counter what Mr.
Schoonveld just stated. She stated that she would reframe the messaging to the community and based on
current projections there could be further needs but also note that lots of things can change. She added
that they are going to continue to work hard but there may be a need for another override next year. Mr.
Flaherty who has called in and he stated that he had no comments. Ms. Tarsi-Goldfien who also was calling
in stated that a lot of municipalities are in the same space and communities are not receiving what they
should in State Aid. She added that there can the potential negative effects if there is not enough
emergency staff and more negative impacts of not keeping up with capital projects. She stated that as a
member of the Finance Committee she supports an override and nothing ever gets less expensive. Mr.
Wilk also called in commented that he agreed with Mr. Schoonveld and the need to find some cuts over
the next twelve months is necessary and this override would only be a one-year fix.
3. Discussion and consideration of further reductions and moving variables
The discussion happened in the previous agenda item.
4. Discussion and consideration of balanced budget and preferred budget
Finance Committee Vote:
Motion: To make a recommendation to the Select Board to move forward with the proposed plan to put
an override forward and the timeline proposed to move forward in the budget process, as shown in the
presentation as slide nine columns two and three. (Feely/Cooney)
Roll call Vote:
Flaherty — Yes Tarsi-Goldfien—Aye Cooney —Aye Feely — Aye
Thurston — Aye Martin —Aye S.Walsh —Aye
Passes 7:0
School Committee Vote:
Motion: To make a recommendation to the Select Board to move forward seek an override request on the
Town Warrant and timeline. (J. Walsh/Sellon)
Roll Call Vote
J.Walsh —Aye Sellon — Aye Cavicchi—Aye Schoonveld—Aye
Passes 4:0
Select Board Vote:
Motion: To support an override option at Town Meeting and to support the time line. (Roche/Bren)
Roll Call Vote:
Wilk — Yes Roche —Yes Bren — Yes Doherty — Yes
Passes 4:0
S. Discussion and consideration of spring timeline for public forums, procedural steps, town meeting
and election
This discussion was done in agenda number seven.
6. Committees vote on timeline
There was no vote.
7. Next steps
Ms. Sara Walsh stated that the next step she sees is to have another Budget Subcommittee meeting to talk
about the public forums needed. Mr. Dumas stated that he will work on getting some time lines with
possible dates. Mr. Schoonveld stated that the School Committee has a public hearing on the budget in
April and asked what would that be on. Mr. Roche commented that the public forums in February would
help get to the final decision as to whether trash is in the override option or not.
8. Public Comment
Mr. Evan Benson from Mansfield Fire came forward and thanked the group for their time all week at
meetings and he stated that he appreciates the support of an override. He commented that there are
double the amount of emergency calls today than back in 2007, however the number of employees has
not increased. He then stated that if the override does not pass there needs to be another way to fund the
public safety positions. He then thanked everyone for the yes vote tonight and he stated that he would
provide a letter from the Union.
Mr. Wilk left the meeting at 7:35PM.
9. Adjourn
Budget SubCommittee:
Motion: To adjourn the Budget SubCommittee meeting of January 16, 2025 at 7:37 PM. (Doherty/Cavicchi)
Passes 5:0
Finance Committee:
Motion: To adjourn the Finance Committee meeting of January 16, 2025 at 7:37PM. (Feely/Cooney)
Roll call Vote:
Flaherty — Yes Tarsi-Goldfien—Aye Cooney —Aye Feely — Aye
Thurston — Aye Martin — Aye S. Walsh —Aye
Passes 7:0
School Committee:
Motion: To adjourn the School Committee meeting of January 16, 2025 at 7:38PM. (J. Walsh/Sellon)
Passes 4:0
Select Board:
Motion: To adjourn the Select Board meeting of January 16, 2025 at 7:38PM. (Roche/Bren) Passes 3:0
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Minutes prepared by Carrie Champagne