HomeMy WebLinkAboutCONSERVATION 11162009 discussion
November 16, 2009
Discussion Minutes
Discussion at 6:00 pm with Mark Grgurovic of Swampwalkers Wetland Ecosystem Specialists - Rare
Species Evaluation for the Bird Road Sub-station.
Joe Mulkern, Paul Boyden, Derek House, Carole Matthew, Michele White and Elizabeth Leidhold were
present.
The property is approximately 4 acres. Three acres are within a cleared utility right-of-way with a
wetland area and 1 acre is a forested upland and a wetland habitat. The 3 acre right-of-way will
remain undeveloped; regular clearing and maintenance will take place in this area. The utility sub-
station is proposed for the i-acre parcel. Mansfield's by-law requires a rare species evaluation when a
resource area will be altered.
Mr. Grgurovic, a Wildlife Biologist, conducted a rare species habitat evaluation in connection with the
proposed sub-station on Bird Road. The area for the proposed sub-station is within an Estimated Rare
Species Habitat of an endangered vertebrate, unnamed because it is considered a "data sensitive
species", and near an Estimated Rare Species, the Marbled Salamander and the Eastern Box Turtle.
Mark told the board NHESP, in a letter dated November 13, 2009, concluded the proposed project
would not result in a "take" as long as no work is done within the utility right-of-way. Mark said the
wetland resource area could be compromised if the proposed slope barrier wall is constructed. He
recommended that the slope design be eliminated completely and have a wall ending near the 50 ft.
wetland zone with a drainage system that directs run-off away from the forested and scrub shrub
wetlands.
Questions:
The report states that the 3 acre right-of-way will remain undeveloped except for clearing and
maintenance. It then goes on to state that this project will not result in a "take" as long as no work
will be conducted within the right-of-way.
1.) It has been established that they do work within the right-of-way by clearing and maintenance so
therefore isn't it a "take"? For the undisclosed species at the very least?
2.) It also states that the undisclosed species habitat actually does occur within the right-of-way, so
with regular clearing and maintenance in this area, how is this not a "take"?
3.) If the right-of-way has the potential to be a site for the turtles feeding, summer shelter and
nesting, then perhaps we should prohibit or limit any activity on the right-of-way during the summer
months?
4.) There are no recommendations on how to best protect the two potential vernal pools.
5.) Where does the Eastern Box Turtle over-winter on this site?
6.) Are you saying that all three species use this site or just two - the undisclosed and the turtle, not
the salamander?
7.) If you are saying potential vernal pool, then why are you saying can't be?
8.) Are marbled salamanders a vernal pool obligate species? If not, they must be using the wetlands.
No?
The board's and Mark Grgurovic's comments:
Question 1.) Mark said not necessarily. Maintenance and clearing is done every 2 years by contract; a
"take" would not appiy to this project because access is through Bird Road not the power line. They
are not actually doing any work in the power line. Michele White asked if the species is found on site,
because they are already doing the maintenance in this area, they won't be affected - if they are on
site wouldn't the continued maintenance affect the species? Mark: If the work is done between
November and March the species would not be directly affected. Mark thinks Conservation should
contact Natural Heritage to make sure the proper permits for the maintenance are in place. Natural
Heritage would determine the limits allow as to when they can do the clearing and maintenance.
National Grid probably has a maintenance plan. Mark thinks National Grid may also have federal
permits for the use of herbicides on site. Carole Matthew said the board is going to have to request
they stay off the right-of-way from November to March.
Question 8.) Mark told the board Natural Heritage makes a distinction between "within" and "near".
The Endangered Species Habitat- the unnamed species - is within the power lines but does not exist
within the area of the project; this is probably why Natural Heritage did not think this project would
resuit in a "take". The other 2 species occur outside the project area. Mark did not estimate any
habitat for the Marbled-Salamander because their breeding occurs within vernal pools that are totally
dry. Mark found the vernal pools on site to be completely dry but the pools do appear to hold water in
the fall. The vernal pools are very mushy and have a lot of sphagnum. Not ideal for the marbled
salamander because they prefer dry wetlands with ample leaf litter cover in order to create nests.
When fall rain fills the vernal pool, the species leave.
Mark told the board the utility right-of-way could potentially support the feeding, summer shelter and
nesting habits for the Eastern Box Turtle. In the report, Mark states an adequate over-wintering
habitat is not common on this site; the turtles prefer open canopy forests for extensive sun exposure
and abundant coarse woody debris for shelter during hibernation. On this site, the forested upland
area has a dense canopy cover and very little woody debris for nest making. Mark told the board when
he was on site, he did not see any Eastern Box Turtles. Mark told the board it would be a very small
area if they were on site because of the conditions of the site.
Paul Boyden asked Mark how far out from the vernal pool the species go and Michele White asked do
they always go back to the same place. Mark said there is some evidence that they do but not always;
some might go 10 ft. to live under a log for the summer, another one might go as far as 1 mile.
Elizabeth asked if the conditions on the site could be because of a very wet year.
Paul Boyden asked if all the work would be limited to this area, not exceeding the 25 ft. no disturb
zone. Mark said 2.2 of the by-law allows for development to occur in the 25 ft. area; paragraph 2
states facilities used to provide public services such as electric services. Carole Matthew cited 2.4 of
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the by-law which states "to provide minimum protection for the wetland values and resource areas, no
activity, unless permitted in Section 2.5, shall be allowed within 25 ft. of any resource area. Further,
the Commission reserves the right to prohibit, or significantly condition, through the issuance of an
Order of Conditions, work between 25-50 ft. away from any resource area". The board would take into
consideration the slope of adjacent areas, existing and proposed drainage. Carole said this project
would come under 2.4 of the by-law. Mark was asked if he agreed with the by-law. He told the board
he does not necessarily agree with the 25 ft. no touch; he said that in some cases the 100 ft. buffer is
not enough for even the common species. His recommendation for this project is according to the by-
law as written.
Elizabeth read Mark's comment that the "shrub wetlands were mapped as potential vernal pools but
because of the presence of standing water during the fall and the permanent outlet along the
southwestern edge, the wetland is uncertifiable according to revised certification guidelines that were
amended in spring of 2009". She does not agreed with this; why is it uncertifiable, it is draining the
pool, it is still holding water for 2 consecutive months. Mark said the outlet is wet, not dry; to certify,
Mark said there would have to be evidence the outlet was completely dry. Michele White asked if it
had to be dry for a certain amount of time.
Derek House: "So the state has criteria and this project does not meet their requirements for certifying
vernal pools." Paul Boyden asked if this was the time of year to go out there and see ifthe species are
there. Mark said the Marbled Salamander will start showing up when the pool is dry.
Elizabeth feels Mark needs to revisit the site; he was only there for that one day and it has been an
extremely wet fall.
Paul Boyden asked if Mark was aware of where the construction would be. Mark said he knew where
the project would be located. He told the board the flagging of the resource areas was not exact and
asked if an ANRAD had been done. Elizabeth said 4 flags were missing. Paul asked who had done the
flagging of the wetlands. Carole Matthew thought the delineation was part of the Stanley Village
project.
Joe Mulkern asked Mark, if the project goes ahead and they stay out of the 50 ft. area, what he would
recommend to make this site the better place to locate the substation. Mark said the further away
from the resource areas the better. He would recommend silt fencing, frequent inspections, and wildlife
plantings. He said this is a pretty disturbed area; there are roads and power lines everywhere.
Paul Boyden said he would like Elizabeth's thoughts on National Grid. The Notice of Intent was
withdrawn. Elizabeth said a MEPA meeting with National Grid and the Electric Department will be held
this Friday at 2:00 at town hall with an on-site inspection. National Grid will be filing shortly with
Conservation. Paul said National Grid and the Electric Department are combining these projects. How
much is National Grid going to disturb the area with the work they are proposing?
Carole Matthew asked Mark if he was basing his determination on the NHESP Maps. She cited 2.6 of
the Mansfield by-law; if the state's Natural Heritage Program determines, through a site visit, that the
Vernal Pool or wetland area is not a significant habitat area then the Commission may allow, through
an Order of Conditions, activity to occur within 100 ft. of said pool or wetland area. It is required that
someone from Natural Heritage physically come out and look at the site in question.
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Paul Boyden said the information supplied to Natural Heritage on the "no take" did not come from
Conservation. He asked Mark how many no "takes" would have been determined "takes" if someone
from Natural Heritage had come out and checked. Mark said probably a lot more would have been
determined to be "takes".
Michele White asked Mark about his recommendations concerning the project: eliminate the slope
design, have a barrier wall that ends near 50 ft. wetland area, redirect the drainage away from
wetlands. Besides the improvements Mark recommended, is there anything else that could be done
with the wetland areas. Joe Mulkern said the board could require deeper, thicker barrier walls,
enabling everything else to be left alone and get the project out of the 25 ft. area. The present
drainage drains off site; may be the drainage system could be moved closer.
Michele White asked Mark, because we do not have evidence that the outlet is dry, the board is unable
to certify these potential vernal pools. If that is the case, the board can not hold the project to any
extra distance - 50 ft. for uncertified pools to 100 ft. for certified - but if something can not be
certified, as opposed to something that is not certified? Mark said the board would have to follow the
state's criteria.
Paul Boyden: "We do not know how much disturbance will be created by the National Grid project.
National Grid has said there are 3 vernal pools on site not "potential" vernal pools." Carole Matthew
said if there are potential vernal pools on any site, in the past, the board has required they be certified
by the applicant or the agent. Paul said if there are no vernal pools on site, the board can not hold the
project to 100 ft.; the board would have to hold them to 50 ft. and see what they can come up with for
the project.
Derek House said the Electric Department should be required to file an ANRAD first to determine the
wetland line; they would need to get their engineers to determine whether there are any vernal pools
on the site or not. If there are no vernal pools, the 50 ft. would be applied. Joe Mulkern asked if the
board could require the Electric Department to stay out of the 50 ft. unless they are determined to be
vernal pools; then they would be held to the 100 ft. Paul Boyden referenced a Grove Street violation;
the filling in of a back yard that encroached on a little pool which turned out to be a vernal pool. He
feels the board need to be consistent.
Paul Boyden asked why the substation can't be located under the power lines. Mark said if they
proposed a transformer under the power lines, it would definitely be a "take". Michele White said she
did not think any town facilities were allowed to work within these areas because of liability. Derek
House said it is a safety issued.
Derek House asked, as far as Conservation is concerned, is there a better site, one more suitable for
this project? Because National Grid is already there, Paul thinks it is the better site. But Mark agreed
with Paul, it is not the best site but probably is the most suitable site. If it was located somewhere
else, it would required the power lines to be run at a greater distance from Bird Road.
Joe Mulkern: "If we give them a list of things we expect such as they stay out of the 50 ft., we would
expect someone to come to every meeting to let the board know what is going on. Elizabeth can
check the progress on the project to make sure everything is being done properly. Carole Matthew
said the board should not do anything until after the MEPA meeting this Friday.
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Elizabeth: "Before we discuss set backs, we need to get the resource areas delineated. We do not
know what we have there. Derek House: "Then we should ask for an ANRAD - start with the ANRAD.
Elizabeth said they have a current line but a lot of flags are not there. Carole Matthew thinks Chris
Ross from DEP said the flags are from the Jay Zola project, Stanley Village. Derek House: "The line
needs to be checked. National Grid needs to flag out their own property. Jay Zola and Stanley Village
is not a concern as far as the flags are concerned.
Mark was asked what else would enhance the vernal pools. Besides staying away from the pools, he
thought the board should ask for some off site remediation for any of the impacted areas.
Carole Matthew suggested that board not make a decision until after the MEPA meeting this Friday,
November 20, 2009. She will attend the meeting and on-site inspection.
The board decided to further discuss the 50 ft. and then have the resource areas re-flagged; National
Grid needs to delineate their own property.
Paul Boyden asked Mark to submit a total resume.
Discussion ended at 7:00 pm.
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