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Present: H. Thomas French, Chair; Fred Armstrong, Clerk, Doug Annino, Ken Tolman, 13
John DeMassi, Mike McClanahan N
Alternate s : Ton Jodice, Beth Ashman-Collins
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1. October 24, 2007 minutes
Motion: To approve as submitted (McClanahan-Armstrong) Six in favor. French
abstained. PASSES
2. ZBA application for Variance - 31 Millfann Drive - Sideyard Setback
Mr. DeMassi said there is no hardship shown on the plan and there is plenty of room
to put the addition at the back of the house. Mr. Annino said he is concerned that
the houses built on smaller lots in clusters and compounds are now coming back for
expansion, which he said is a dangerous precedent and not what was intended when
those developments were permitted. He noted the application says there will be a
IS-foot sideyard setback, but the plan shows 10.5 feet. Mr. Burke said this was the
first residential compound, so there were no building envelopes, and the setbacks
varied throughout the subdivision.
Motion: To send the ZBA a negative recommendation because there is no hardship
to the land and this sort of relief would not be in keeping with the intention of the
special permit (McClanahan-Annino) All in favor. PASSES
3. ZBA application for Variance - Mansfield Public Schools - Electronic Sign at High
School. Mr. Burke said the proposed sign would be more than just text; it would do
slideshows, video and animated text and graphics. He said that is a very busy street
with a lot of new drivers, and a sign like this could be dangerous. Mr. Annino said
he doesn't mind the size of the sign, but doesn't like the style. Mr. Burke said the
Zoning By-Law prohibits flashing signs. Mr. Armstrong noted the application is for
a dimensional variance. Mr. Burke said it is appropriate for the board to ask the
ZBA if the illuminated sign is appropriate.
Motion: To send the ZBA a negative recommendation because the board is
concerned the electronic message board is inappropriate per ZBL Section 4.7.5, but
the board does not have a problem with the size. The board also feels the style of
the sign is inappropriate for the character of the school (Torman-Annino) Six in
favor. DeMassi opposed. PASSES
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Mr. Sullivan explained the reconstruction of the Kingman Pond Dam, which runs from
behind the Police Station to Spring Street. There are significant deficiencies at the site.
Fulton Pond Dam was repaired about 1 0 years ago, followed by the Mill Pond Dam. He
said this has been on CIP for a number of years, and the design has been funded by Town
Meeting. The dam has a temporary fix that keeps water in the pond, but does not address
the main structure itself. Mr. Sullivan said they have drawings for the reconstruction and
hope to get construction costs by the end of the year, in order to provide Town Meeting
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with numbers in the spring. They have had two public hearings with the Board of
Selectmen and have Conservation Commission approval.
Mr. Sullivan said eliminating the dam was considered. He said there were concerns from
the abutters and a concern that eliminating the dam will dry up the pond. He said the
other problem is the sediment in the pond from the Hatheway-Patterson site, so there may
be hazardous materials in the pond.
Mr. Sullivan said the Division of Dam Safety doesn't like trees on top of dams, but Mr.
Sullivan said he would like to keep some of the existing trees in place. He said if they
used sheeting on the water side of the trees, the sheeting would stay in place even if the
trees were uprooted. He said they have limited space and in order to get the sheeting in,
the trees would be damaged. He said he thinks the trees will have to be eliminated.
Mr. Sullivan explained his proposed design increases the spillway, which would be a
weir so water would go over the surface. He said the design would not be like the Fulton
Pond Dam, which uses stop logs. He said they do not want to disturb the sediment at the
bottom of Kingman Pond, which this design would accomplish. There will be a concrete
wall a few inches higher than the existing structure, about 90 feet long, and will step up
two feet with a 220-foot long auxiliary spillway. He noted the dam is surrounded by
wetlands. The auxiliary spillway would come into use during the 100-year storm. There
will be a concrete wall, one foot wide by four feet deep, to provide a water cut-off The
rest of the area will be loamed and seeded. The rest of the dam will be 250 long and will
be loamed and seeded; turf reinforced mat will be used to help the grass stay in place.
Mr. Sullivan said there will be rip rap at the spillway.
Mr. Sullivan said there is an existing gravel access drive off Spring Street, which would
be the access route for the construction vehicles. That drive would remain as it is now
after the construction is complete.
Mr. Sullivan said the breaks where the elevations change will be a retaining wall. They
are proposing a chain link fence with gates to prevent access. There will be exposed
concrete, mainly at the spillway and training walls.
Mr. DeMassi asked what the consequences would be if the dam were not fixed. Mr.
Sullivan said the dam is on borrowed time now, and significant deficiencies were found
in 1999. He said the whole project would have to be done at the same time. He said the
towns are under more pressure from the Commonwealth to repair dams; he said more
inspections have been done in the last few years.
Mr. Jodice asked if the sediment has ever been tested. Mr. Sullivan said it has not been
tested. He said the pond is downriver from the Hatheway-Patterson site, which is being
cleaned, so that will not be adding any more contaminated sediment. He said it is best to
leave the existing sediment undisturbed. Mr. Sullivan explained the Canoe River is the
only ACEC because it feeds the town's aquifers and effects drinking water.
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Mr. Sullivan explained the plan is to use the low flow outlet to drain the pond to summer
levels, and excavating will be done in the area where the present dam is located. Mr.
French asked if the existing dam would be removed; Mr. Sullivan said it would be.
Mr. Burke said the immediate issue is one of public safety and protecting the residents
downstream. Mr. Jodice asked what the town's liability is; Mr. Sullivan said the town
would be liable. If something happened during construction, the construction company
will be insured, with the town named as "additionally insured."
Mr. Burke presented the board with a draft recommendation to the Board of Selectmen.
Mr. DeMassi asked if construction hours should be addressed. Mr. Sullivan said it would
be normal operating hours, which would be set with the contractor. He said there isn't
much room on the dam itself to replace trees, but there will be room along the access
drive. Mr. Sullivan said the Kingman Pond Dam isn't in a park-like setting, like the
Fulton's Pond Dam, so he thinks a chain-link fence will be sufficient. Mr. Armstrong
asked if wrought iron would require more maintenance; Mr. Burke said it would, but
would be more aesthetically pleasing and wouldn't cost much more.
Mr. Jodice asked how much this would cost; Mr. Sullivan said it would cost $550,000-
600,000. Mr. Jodice said he would like to keep the costs down as much as possible.
Motion: To send the Board of Selectmen a positive recommendation on the
reconstruction of the Kingman Pond Dam. It is the opinion of the Planning Board that
this area is an important asset to the town. We strongly believe, therefore, that the
revisions made to the plan are essential to it and base our recommendation on their
inclusion in the project. The board voted unanimously to send you a positive
recommendation on the plan for the reconstruction of the dam with the following
suggestions:
1. Replanting of at least twenty (20) new trees to replace those being eliminated.
New trees should be of a species indigenous to the area and be of the caliper
suggested in Section 5.7 of the Subdivision Regulations, and be planted along the
existing gravel access path from Spring Street.
2. A metal, wrought iron-like fence should be installed on top of the ''training walls"
which run perpendicular to the primary concrete spillway weir.
3. Textured river rock facing should be provided to maintain the attractiveness of the
exposed portions of the primary concrete spillway weir and ''training walls."
4. The stacking area shall be placed away from the homes to the parking lot area in
an effort to eliminate the disturbance of existing vegetation, as shown on the plan.
(Armstrong-McClanahan) Five in favor. DeMassi, Jodice opposed. PASSES
Mr. French said he has missed one meeting and would participate, but not vote.
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Ralph Maloon, RIM Engineering, said one of the issues that came up at the last meeting
was sight distance. Mr. Burke said he received an email from Officer Lawson late this
afternoon indicating he is satisfied with the sight distance revisions.
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Mr. Maloon explained that looking northwest from the outlet of the site, sight distance is
700 feet. In the other direction, sight distance is 400 feet. However, there is a vertical
curve in the road, and at 155 feet, you lose sight of the pavement, but would still be able
to see a car. Mr. French asked the required sight distance; Mr. Maloon said it is 300 feet.
Mr. Maloon said the second issue was proximity to the neighbors. He explained the
changes will keep the construction outside the 100-foot buffer. The road has been
shortened and the cul-de-sac is tight to the buffer, with one lot pushed around the corner.
Mr. Maloon explained he has added Mary Dee Lane and those homes to the plans. The
existing houses are about 45 feet from the property line; there will be a 25-foot common
space and a 20-foot no-clear area, for a minimum distance of 85 feet between the existing
houses on Mary Dee Lane and the new houses. Mr. Zola said the rear yard setback in the
Rl zone is 40 feet, and they have provided at least that on all the lots.
Mr. Maloon said the whole site is heavily treed. Mr. McClanahan said he has visited the
site and agrees.
Mr. Burke asked if the size of the cul-de-sac has changed; Mr. Maloon said it is still 160
foot diameter, but its shape has changed.
Mr. Armstrong asked where the retention area has gone. Mr. Maloon said it has been
moved to the large undeveloped lot. He said there would have to be another test hole
done there. He said they could put a swale at the back of the proposed houses to funnel
the water to the detention basin.
Karen Karas, 16 Mary Dee Lane, said there have always been problems with runoff on
her street, and water currently flows down the street. Mr. Zola said nothing they do on
their site will impact the Mary Dee Lane situation. He said he would prefer not to have
to go into the woods to clear; he would rather do the swale at the rear of the cleared area
on the lots. Mr. Maloon said the swale at the back of the new lots may also help the
Mary Dee Lane residents.
Mr. Maloon said they are providing an unpaved access easement to the undeveloped land
at the rear of the site and an access to the power lines.
Mr. Maloon said the Water Department wants them to loop to Mary Dee Lane, which
would benefit the Mary Dee Lane residents. Mr. Maloon noted Mary Dee is a private
way. Mr. DeMassi asked if they tie in and have to tear up Mary Dee Lane, would they
repair it? Mr. Maloon said of course they would. Mr. Burke explained the town would
not repair Mary Dee Lane because it is a public way. Mr. Maloon said they would only
have to dig up enough of Mary Dee Lane to find the water main. Mr. Zola said they
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would do the connection and repair at no cost to the Mary Dee Lane residents. Mr.
Maloon said they are planning to make the new road a public way. Mr. Burke said
looping the main is a better solution, both for water use and public safety, than what
exists on Mary Dee Lane now.
Mr. French asked if there are any waivers requested. Mr. Maloon said they had requested
20 feet, but the board was uncomfortable with that, so they had discussed 22 feet.
Mr. Maloon said they are requesting one sidewalk and sloped granite instead of vertical.
Mr. Burke said the by-law was amended to require vertical granite curbing for
maintenance purposes; a snowplow won't knock vertical curbing out.
Public Comment
Ms. Karas asked how the detention area works. Mr. Maloon said they have done soil
testing to find out how rapidly the water will go into the ground. It is designed to take all
the water from the road, driveways and at least the front half of the houses, with an
emergency overflow that will go toward the power lines. He said the material is very
porous with a two-minute perc rate. Water would stay in the basin for a few hours. Mr.
Burke asked how long the 100-year storm would stay in the basin. Mr. Maloon said the
water will get about two feet deep at the deepest; the side slopes are 3-1 and the basin is
about 10,000 square feet. Ms. Karas said they have problems with mosquitoes and asked
about standing water. Mr. Annino said this basin will dry quickly and not contain water.
Mr. Zarek asked about additional plantings. Mr. Zola said by moving the road away from
the existing homes, and because the site is heavily wooded, he believes they have
addressed that issue. He said it doesn't make sense to remove existing trees to plant new
trees. He said if a waiver was granted on the side of the road where there will be no
houses, he could apply those trees to another part of the site. Mr. Annino said there
should be street trees on both sides of the new road to create a canopy. Mr. DeMassi said
there had been discussion about using those trees to help screen the neighbor on the
corner of the new road and Bird Road.
Mr. Zarek asked about the possible substation and whether that would impact the
entrance to this subdivision. Mr. Zola said it would not.
Ms. Karas asked to see where the houses would be placed on the lots. Mr. Maloon said
there are building envelopes on the plan. Ms. Karas said she was concerned the houses
could be placed at the rear of the envelopes, closest to the Mary Dee Lane residents.
An abutter asked what would happen if the lots were clear cut. Mr. Burke said that
would be a violation of the special permit, which the building inspector would enforce.
Mr. Zola said they don't plan to clear cut the entire parcel, because they build one lot at a
time, so if the homeowner wants the lot cut, they could do that.
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Mr. McClanahan asked if these would be 5,000 square foot houses; Mr. Zola said he is
not planning on that.
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Mr. Burke said the roadway could be offset and seek a waiver on the right-of-way width,
which would provide the illusion of greater space and allow the houses to be closer to the
new street and further from the existing homes.
Board Comment
Dr. Torman asked if the road has been shortened. Mr. Maloon said it has been and is
now 528 feet to the center of the cul-de-sac.
Motion: To continue the public hearing to January 23,2008 at 8:00 p.m.
(McClanahan- Torman) All in favor. PASSES
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4. ZBA application for Variance - 19 Knight Way - Frontage and Lot Width/Depth
Mr. French said the board saw this property a few weeks ago as a conceptual
subdivision plan. Mr. Burke said they are seeking relief for two lots (the existing
house and a new Montessori school) for frontage, lot width and depth. Mr. Annino
said this would cause traffic problems. Mr. Burke said there is no hardship and does
not meet any of the statutory requirements and suggested a negative
recommendation be sent to the ZBA.
Motion: To send the ZBA a negative recommendation because there is no hardship,
the application does not meet any of the statutory requirements, this will cause
traffic problems and will degrade the residential character of the neighborhood
(Armstrong-Annino) All in favor. PASSES
5. Proposed revisions to elevations of Linens and Things at Mansfield Crossing. Mr.
Burke said when they started to paint the building, the approved shade came out
pink; they would like to change the shade. The fayade will not change. Mr. Burke
said the new shade would blend well with the rest of the building.
Motion: To approve the new color scheme based on the September 17,2007 plan
(Annino-McClanahan) All in favor. PASSES
6. November 19, 2007 letter from Lew Holt, Bertucci's Restaurant re: air pollution
unit. Bertucci's would like a temporary certificate of occupancy until the unit can
be installed in January. Mr. Burke said he thinks that will be fine as long as the
temporary certificate of occupancy is for time certain.
Motion: To send the Building Inspector a recommendation to issue a temporary
certificate of occupancy without a scrubber until January 30, 2008
(Annino-Armstrong) All in favor. PASSES
7. Meeting notices - Canoe River Aquifer Advisory Committee; North Attleboro,
Norton, Sharon
8. The Beacon
9. Journal of the American Planning Association
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Mr. Annino said he thinks the Bertucci's building is going to be disappointing and said
the board should have looked harder at pedestrian movement at Mansfield Crossing. Mr.
Burke said he met with the mall representatives and public safety staff to talk about
internal traffic, pedestrian movement, and parking, and they will be looking at some
options. He said part of the parking problem is that employees are parking at the front of
the stores. Ms. Collins suggested there should be signage on Route 140 directing drivers
to the mall and to downtown. Mr. Annino said he likes the emergency call boxes on the
site. Mr. DeMassi said the parking problem in the LL Bean area is going to be even
worse when the restaurant opens. He said he would like a seat count on each restaurant.
Dr. Torman asked if the mall had been granted relief on parking; Mr. Burke said the ZBA
granted them a variance. Dr. Torman asked if there is anyplace to create more parking.
Mr. Burke said they could add parking on the Nordbeck land, which could be used for
employee parking. Mr. DeMassi said he wants to see some effort on Weiner's part to get
the Route 140 entrance issue addressed.
Motion: To adjourn at 10:00 p.m. (
) All in favor. PASSES
Next meeting: Wednesday, December 12,2007 at 7:30 p.m.
Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 7:30 p.m. (Master Plan)
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